So, Geezer, rappy, in your ideal world, what should happen?
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Anyway - Geezer, I appreciate the reply.
I was wondering how far your definition of self went. If anything is, the body is self. Do you consider your thoughts to be self? Your reputation? Your time? Where does self end?
To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Dealth with it extensily on p2 beginning
BTW, still waiting for a response as to how to deal with the Meals-on-Wheels czar and his executives' plans for the one-meal-fits-all effectiveness plan.Quote:
Oh, AFA a government system not working...
We do analyses. We follow procedures, we check back to see if they're "working" on the micro scale: Did the instrument run consistently from beginning to end? Are the analyses repeatable and fully documented?
And my response was to ask who'd do this. Got no answer.
I also noted...
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Also governments and governmental organizations, being groups of people with their own ideas of what's effective, not mechanical devices, are a bit harder to both analyze and correct, especially if their definition of "working" differs from yours. The Meals-on-wheels Czar and his directors are sure that they are more effective if they provide the same meal to everyone in the country on the same day.
Which you also didn't respond to.
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"If it can be provided commercially, a goverment can do it"
As effectively? In all cases? The Soviet government made tractors, and always met quota, but the tractors weren't very good.
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That's easy, it can be described by many Federal programs. for example the air pollution program that we all work under the Clean Air Act.
The Federal government sets the goals ... air quality must be this good, or better... and then allows the states, counties, or (in some cases) multi-county regions both the responsibility and authority to to make it happen. That's because each geographic region has its own weather and set of polluters, so each region's plan has to be unque to its circumstances.
That's one idea, but there are others.
So you're happy with air quality and emissions?
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
KPO - in the purest form, her care would be up to her family and or local community, church, what ever. What takes place later in her life should be greatly determined by what took place before. All of us are the sum of our choices. Not all the results are happy ones. Even if we make the " right " choices, things can turn out pretty damn bad.
So what you are saying is -
All of us are the sum of our choices
Our choices to not determine whether things turn out well for us
Therefore, some things are out of our individual control, we may make all good choices in our life, and still bad things may befall us.
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Quote:No no no no!!! No theorems or extrapolations! It's bad for the Rappster!
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Therefore, some things are out of our individual control, we may make all good choices in our life, and still bad things may befall us.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
No. I base my ideal society on the notion that most people in it will share certain principles (pretty much the definition of a society). The folks in the countries you list obviously share certain principles, or their countries wouldn't run the way they do. Do you consider that everyone in Sweden, for example, thinks just alike, or thinks just like you do?
Not really. That's why laws and systems of government were created. They don't rely on everyone accepting the principles in order for them to function.
Eg You might not share the belief that as an employer, you need to provide a safe workplace for your workers. However the law requires you to do so, and if you don't, you will be penalised. That's why laws exist, because not everyone shares the same beliefs or has the same morals.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
My elderly aunts and uncles have been fortunate enough to have had their children and grandchildren look after them before they died. Or at least close enough to check on them and help them make decisions. I looked after my mother through two bouts of cancer, the final one taking her. Even with help it was hard for me.
Now as I face getting older, I wonder what will happen to me as there is no one to look after me as I did my mom or my cousins for their parents.
Sorry, not trying to get maudline. And as you know I live in Canada. Some care homes you have to pay for and some are government run.
My elderly father recently became ill after living independantly for many years. Although he was well off, he wasn't able to afford the private costs of being cared for at home, which would have meant around thousands of dollars per month for full time care, unsubsidised. At that stage, he wasn't sure how long he would need it.
Even with family members around, ferrying him to and from appointments and hospital stays, doing his washing and organising his care from experts, it was pretty much all consuming for me for 6 months, seeing as how I had a family and a job which still needed my time and attention. In the end, as he lay dying, I would not have been able to provide the care that he needed. I just wasn't physically, psychologically equipped, not to mention lacking the medical skills.
I have other family members who had dementia for years, were practically in vegetable states. I'm not sure how family would ahve managed full time care for these people, it was draining enough to be attentive to their needs on a part time basis year in year out.
I know that families did all this in the past, but I also know that people died in some grim circumstances.
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Quote:Yanno what?? It's MUCH better than is was when I first moved here in '78. Back then the ozone was so thick it would make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I recall being up at the top of the Cajon Pass in August at sunset, looking down at a red sun glowing dimly thru the smog at the end of a 10-day smog seige, with nothing but rock, dried bits of plants and murk to look forward to, and feeling like I was driving into Mordor. I kid you not.
So you're happy with air quality and emissions?
I can't remember when we've had a day so bad in over 15 years, so the answer is... YES, I'M HAPPY WITH AIR QUALITY AND EMISSIONS. It's far better than when left to business.
Can it be better?
Of course. But it's not government "inefficiency" that's the problem, it's the competition with that big polluting government across the ocean, and business' desire to make "maximimum profit" that's the issue.
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Geeze would rather wheeze.
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Quote:In this day and age of giburu anonymous search engine http://gibiru.com/ there is NO EXCUSE for people like Jongsstraw (and rappy) to be so woefully ignorant.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
1. Deliver the mail.
2. Defend America against the commies and the ragheads.
That's all the Federal Govt. needs to do.
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You mistake their aim. Ignorance isn't a failing, it's a mission.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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