What Will It Take for Us to Get Back to Being a Decent Society?
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Saturday, April 25, 2026 00:05
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You "Understood" me, for sure Byte. For all "that" means.....
I'm not joking about my philosophy. And I wasn't joking about other people's pictures painting a better picture for me even if it's only 850 of those words I agree with....
I don't doubt you're paranoid. I know paranoid. I'm supposedly "cured" of that affliction now simply because that's what I tell people. I haven't seen a shrink or social worker for nearly 20 years.....
My opinion is that Haken doesn't, and has never existed......
As for the rest of what you said, I'll just say this.....
Maybe you SHOULD have thought more about yourself than you ever gave yourself credit for.
Of course, who gives a shit about one single post on a board?????
At the same time, how many boards have you EVER been a part of that let you say whatever you wanted to say nearly all of th time?
Take a further step back and realize that except for the ridiculously LOW posts/threads, nothing here has EVER been censored in any other means. Hell even those "BAD" posts are still visible to KANEMAN in Troll Country.............
AND, AS FAR AS I KNOW, NONE OF MY THREADS/POSTS HAVE EVER ENDED UP THERE~~~~~
Freedom comes at a price, oh paranoid one....
Alone, none of us are important.....
Something all brought us here.... A beautiful show that should have lived on for a decade and was cancelled in one year. Some of ya'all were here nearly 5 years before I showed up, even though I consider myself "old".....
Haken is "Emmanuel Goldstein".
There is no difference between a "5 minute hate" or a "5 minute love" for a fictional character.
I was going to go on, likely forever, but I figured that might be the most poignant "point" I could leave it on.....
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He lives in Hawaii.
By your logic, I live in Indiana. :P
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He lives in Hawaii, with Elvis and Tupac.....
I've always been a Beatles guy, so I can take or leave Elvis, but I'd praise "Suspicious Minds".....
Tupac though.... the list goes on and on....
He never once would perform a song like that....
Not his most PC moment, but I could think of worse places to be now....
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now I'm going to get a little snarky, and not about the right wing (who everyone knows are just a bunch of tools) but about liberals. Because it seems that liberals are capable of asking the question What Will It Take for Us to Get Back to Being a Decent Society?. But when presented with specific examples of HOW our indecent society is being forced on us at gunpoint, appear to have no answers at all.
That's the difference between liberals and leftists.
I think people have posted stuff over the years that have answered this question, but maybe the silence is due to feeling powerless more than anything else.
You can find solutions at a micro and macro level.
Micro is what YOU do as an individual, how you live your life, the choices you make, how you treat others, the concern you show and demonstrate for the environment and for you fellow humans. You can choose to be an example of a decent human being.
On a macro level, how do you influence others to think about making similar choices? In the age of social media, its easier than its ever been, but it also means you're competing against a clamour of different voices, who may be more expert and more resourced to influence *coughrupertmurdochcough*, But still its possible to run global media campaigns from your personal laptop. Easier still - share ideas that someone else has already put out there, like the TED talks and RSA Animate, blogs et al. After all, from small ideas and gestures, action happens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks
http://thenagain.info/webchron/India/SaltMarch.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution
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Or Trent, back when I was 10 7ears old and he was just a wizards' apprentice, and not the beastman he turned into when he gave up all the drugs except cigarettes and a liberal daily dose of coffee....
Seriously dude, why don't any of my youtube videos post here? Am I on some sort of watch list?
Good for me. I've never been more than 250 miles away from the very spot I'm squatting now in my life and I'm on some sort of "no fly" list on the internet.
F.U. Internet
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That song was "Ring Finger". A "B" side most of you would never recognize....
You've likely all heard "Head Like a Hole" though now though. I'm quite sure it was used to describe GWB and the Rethugs during his reign...
Here's the link, paste it and copy it if fff doesn't want to show it and leaves it blank like when i look at the posts.....
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The younger of us might recognize this one. I know it was a hate party on GWB, and I was happy to dance to it at the time. The grass is always greener......
EDITED: Post hard core drugs diet and a new high protien diet to compliment the cigs and smokes to make it day to day in the mean time. Seriously. Aside from Robert DeNiro, he's the only guy other than me who changed their entire existence by gaining more than 50lbs in the right places.
"Batman" did it much better, but that dude is seriously as sick as his American Psycho character. Nobody can get THAT skinny for a role after playing a sexy young muscular playboy......
Takes one to know one, I guess....
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Jack - gotta say - if you want to do good things for your niece - aside from being a negative example about how fucked-up being a narcissistic alcoholic is - you gotta get off the booze, AND any drugs you're hankering for.
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"...maybe the silence is due to feeling powerless more than anything else ..."
It is for me. I'm tied to the tracks and the train is pretty close. And while I could debate the theoretical possibilities of how things might be different, I don't see a whole lot I can DO.
I've spent my life trying to do good by my fellow humans and even more by this planet. I drive a high mpg car but reduce my driving anyway, recycle, have reduced my water use to next to nothing, plant trees, donate to groups that do good (and not just whine at congress) ... I even work at an environmental agency. Hell, I'm STILL boycotting Nestle for their infant formula grotesqueire, where infants starved to death, or shit themselves to death, due to their ad campaign in India. And btw, they're still doing it 35 years later. And has any of this been anything more than an ant under a semi? What we need is MASS action - but we're not going to get it. One part of society is stressed beyond belief by the economy, the other part is focused on the latest gadgets, and MEANWHILE - the rich do what they do and to hell with the planet, the people, and the future. I'm too old, too experienced, and too tired to try to move the system. There is NOTHING I can think of to do that I haven't already done or am not already doing, and it's not enough.
So, SignyM, you seem to be exhorting us to DO ... something. Then let me ask YOU - what do you suggest?
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This is all about taking power from the powerful, because the powerful will never willingly give it up: That's why they're TPTB. Right?
So, what are the levers that anyone can apply?
First of all... for those of in the USA, don't forget, we live in the Heart of Darkness. It is OUR vast military and spy network that empowers the current clusterfuck.
So, there's the power of the vote and political action. Dreamtrove once observed that the political process is most vulnerable to at the political primary stage. So push the Dems to field the farthest left candidates available. Volunteer for the candidate of your choice. But once beyond the primary, the best bet is a third party action and vote. Help out your third party candidate. And if the Dem candidate is going to win (or lose) no matter what- vote third party. Stop getting suckered into automatically voting Dem. A few Dems are great; but most of them would trade their children for another term and a piece of the action. It doesn't matter if your third-party candidate wins or loses, but if he or she comes up with a respectable 5% vote the two major parties really start paying attention and will court your vote the next time. (But check out their candidate's voting record; most major politicians by definition will say anything to get elected.) And, of course, donate to the candidate of your choice.
Get involved in various action campaigns. Email petitions: Sometimes clicktivism works. Write. Call. Think about something that riles you up (for me, it's healthcare and fracking). Bird dog it with intensity. If you have the time, volunteer for the various NGOs working on your issue(s). ALWAYS push for greater coordination between groups. I will remember (with disgust) the time a woman's movement group refused to sign an anti-nuclear petition. Don't be that person, and don't be that group.
If you are going to get involved in demonstrations, be part of the organizing committee. The reason why Occupy fell apart is because of sheer political naivete. A commitment to direct democracy (consensus-building) which guaranteed that no goals would be set, no focused action would be taken, no coalitions (with unions and NGOs) would be created. WTF??? A movement which claims to represent 99% getting persnickety about who can join? No thought as to what would happen when peace was met with violence? Political kindergarten!
Use your economic tools, as workers, consumers, and investors. I am (FINALLY, ashamed to say) moving our considerable assets out of financial institutions which do not meet our political standards. One way to influence foreign nations, or companies operating in foreign nations, is divestiture. Selected boycotts... for example, bottled water. (What a scam!)
Eschew Apple, Microsoft, Google (including Gmail) and Facebook. Aside from the fact that they're virtual monopolies in their fields, they have already sold you out to the NSA. There are alternatives out there; if you need help finding them, let me know.
Think about non-violence strategically, not morally. Violence has already been used: in Panama and Nicaragua, and Vietnam and Indonesia and Libya, Syria, and Iraq. It's happened everywhere ... just not to us. So now we know what the campensino feels like. But also remember that the rules have been written so that you (literally) cannot stand on a sidewalk without breaking some rule somewhere. We're living in a dystopia. To fully comprehend it borders on paranoia. 
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