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Is racism over? RNC clarifies tweet

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:36 PM

Captured off of George Takei's FB status -

The jaw dropping true story of the Trekkie who convinced Nichelle Nichols not to quit the show. Simply amazing.

True Story: One Of TV's Most Inspiring Women Almost Gave Up. Guess Who Persuaded Her Not To?

upworthy.com

He might be the most important Trekkie ever.





Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:00 PM

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I could get mad at myself for not making an effort to hang out with any of them outside of work, but these days it's a chore for my family sometimes to make sure I make it to family holiday gatherings.


Eh, you're actually probably fine. No one's got time or patience for friends or making friends anymore, it's not just a racial thing. In fact a couple months ago I went to a wedding and just left before the reception because I thought what was the point? I don't know anyone here except for her and I don't relate to any of this and I can't even eat the food. And then she texted me pretty mad about it, and hasn't talked to me since, but that's because I'm an asshole. *shrug*

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I've never successfully dropped an active chainsaw from 15 stories


Tsk. Sounds like you need to work on your aim.

At least you'll always have that story about how you woke up in the woods naked with a deer carcass and started wondering if you're a lycanthrope.

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:02 PM

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I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



Don't mean to "drift" from the forum topic here, but I just had to comment on this.

I LOVE the Matrix and I've seen it at least 5 times over the years. I don't remember which pill is which, although I can take a pretty good guess just by Rappy posting it. :)

Cypher, Johnny "Pants", was the biggest addict.....

When recalling The Matrix, everybody wants to think they're Neo, but most people are Cypher at best.... :(

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:29 PM

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Good grief. T'was a minor faux pas on twitter.



But a Dem makes a "faux pas" on Twitter, and you're ready to scorch the earth.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:29 PM

Cypher is the epitome of the blue pill addict.

He doesn't care to know the truth, even when he's living in it. It's too hard to do the work required to form reality as it is. He wants the quick fix. To be drawn into the machine again, and just enjoy the delusion of all being just right w/the world.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:45 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Cypher is the epitome of the blue pill addict.

He doesn't care to know the truth, even when he's living in it. It's too hard to do the work required to form reality as it is. He wants the quick fix. To be drawn into the machine again, and just enjoy the delusion of all being just right w/the world.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall




Thanks for the lesson Rappy, although without remembering the nuances of that GREAT MOVIE I didn't need an explanation based off of the thread :)

It should have NEVER been a trilogy.

All the 2nd two movies did were ruin a perfect movie.

Although........


The Animatrix was awesome.....



Don't be Keanu Reeves in Parenthood.......

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KPO
Friday, December 6, 2013 5:10 AM

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That's not what they said, though, they said racism. And there are a lot more issues connected to it than either racist laws or openly racist individuals. Strange that you can't acknowledge this.



I'm old enough to have seen bathrooms and water fountains labeled "Black" and "White", and to have gone to segregated schools. The makeup of the groups of kids I see walking home from school today, and the diversity of folks in my neighborhood, tells me that those days are past.

I'm sure that there are racists in the U.S., but their power has waned to the point where they are figures of embarrassment rather than the figures of fear they were for so many years.

I understand that some folks have to keep the racist America stereotype up so they can paint folks who don't agree with them as racist, but that's more politics than reality.



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."


Interesting view. No recognition or understanding of the enduring subtle, unspoken, coded forms of racism. For you racism = segregation, white robes, lynchings etc. I can see why you think the battle is won.

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Racism as a political force in this country is over. You can no longer make an appeal for votes based on racism and expect to gain more votes than you lose.

Replace racism with 'overt racism' and your statement is correct. Otherwise it's very questionable.

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Don't bother defending such comments or pictures, no matter if you said them, or someone on "your side." They are ultimately irrelevant to the conversation. Gotcha politics or "who does it more" demonstrates nothing and solves nothing.

The way I see it racism is far from irrelevant. Take racism/racist attitudes out of the equation and the political landscape changes significantly - the country shifts to the left. Racism makes the country more right wing than it would otherwise be. When the GOP and right wing media stops playing to this, then liberals will probably stop talking about it so much.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, December 6, 2013 5:34 AM

Well, "Racism as a political force in this country is over. You can no longer make an appeal for votes based on racism and expect to gain more votes than you lose," that's a joke, in my opinion.

"The way I see it racism is far from irrelevant. Take racism/racist attitudes out of the equation and the political landscape changes significantly - the country shifts to the left. Racism makes the country more right wing than it would otherwise be. When the GOP and right wing media stops playing to this, then liberals will probably stop talking about it so much." Amen, KPO, and thank you.



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Friday, December 6, 2013 8:02 AM

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Interesting view. No recognition or understanding of the enduring subtle, unspoken, coded forms of racism. For you racism = segregation, white robes, lynchings etc. I can see why you think the battle is won.



So list the "enduring subtle, unspoken, coded forms of racism" that are endemic in the U.S.

Why I think the battle against racism is done is that most people I know judge people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Dr. King and Rosa Parks won. The folks who want you to believe otherwise are mostly the folks who keep minorities down so they can use them for political purposes.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, December 6, 2013 11:47 PM

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So list the "enduring subtle, unspoken, coded forms of racism" that are endemic in the U.S.

The enduring subtle unspoken racism?

You actually need examples? Study after study... far too many to list... have pointed out, and KEEP pointing out, enduring subtle racism. I could rattle off the studies that I read ten years ago, that even "sounding black" over the phone was enough to stop a rental, and which explained the (still existent) sharp lines in housing patterns. But since you're apparently really really far out of the loop of reality, here are a few examples


Discrimination in Housing Against Nonwhites Persists Quietly, U.S. Study Finds
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Discrimination against blacks, Hispanics and Asians looking for housing persists in subtle forms, according to a new national study commissioned by the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development. Though less likely to face overt obstacles, like being refused an appointment to see a home, minority customers were shown fewer available units than whites with similar qualifications, the study found.

They were also asked more questions about their finances, according to the study, and given fewer offers of help financing a loan.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/business/economy/discrimination-in-h
ousing-against-nonwhites-persists-quietly-us-study-finds.html?_r=0



Unemployed Black Woman Pretends to be White, Job Offers Suddenly Skyrocket
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Two years ago, I noticed that Monster.com had added a “diversity questionnaire” to the site. This gives an applicant the opportunity to identify their sex and race to potential employers. Monster.com guarantees that this “option” will not jeopardize your chances of gaining employment. You must answer this questionnaire in order to apply to a posted position—it cannot be skipped. At times, I would mark off that I was a Black female, but then I thought, this might be hurting my chances of getting employed, so I started selecting the “decline to identify” option instead. That still had no effect on my getting a job. So I decided to try an experiment: I created a fake job applicant and called her Bianca White.

http://www.techyville.com/2012/11/news/unemployed-black-woman-pretends
-to-be-white-job-offers-suddenly-skyrocket
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Discrimination in Consummated Car Purchases
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The studies using consummated purchase data contain strikingly similar results to those of the audit studies, and together they provide compelling evidence that Blacks pay substantially more for cars than Whites. The existence of this price differential is consistent with claims of racial discrimination and effectively rebuts claims that the audit studies are flawed because they do not reflect bargaining tactics that minorities could use in traditional, face-to-face car sales that would nullify the impact of discrimination.

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-0-387-09467-0_6

Racism is like sexism. It still exists, and it still exists in the vast majority of people. Blacks are racist, just like whites. Women are sexist (against other women) just like men are. Sometimes, the only way to experience just HOW MUCH racism exists is to "pass" as the other race. There are plenty of examples of blacks passing as white. Not any (that I can find) of whites passing as black, other than Black Like Me, so you'll just have to use your imagination and some analogy to sexism.

Most sexist laws no longer exist, but is sexism ended? There is the story of a transgender biochemist who has experienced life as both a women and a man in the world of science, and basically he said that when he was a woman he had never experienced anything else, so he didn't know how bad it was... until he became a man.

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As a young woman—Barbara—he said he was discouraged from setting his sights on MIT, where he ended up receiving his bachelor’s degree. Once there, he was told that a boyfriend must have solved a hard math problem that he

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