Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:10
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Brave try, Jest. You've done what you can...
I was impressed with your response regarding whether fanboys deserve respect. Doesn't matter what identifiable group/culture people refer to. That's a sentiment that seems to get lost way too often anymore. It lifts my spirits to see it restated so simply.
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Why am I the only person aware of the facts while you so called "fans" are completely blind?
I'm sorry, GhoulMan, I don't really read up on Enterprise much. Because I don't find it that interesting. Guess I'm not a fan. Guess that'd be clear if you'd calmed down before answering. Looks like you started this reply all het up about something.
As for Moonshadow, yeah, it's kinda old. So is To Kill A Mockingbird, Will Durante's The Story of Philosophy, and the game of Go.
Still wouldn't give 'em up for nothing in the 'Verse.
And yes, I do rock 
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Originally posted by Jest:
Here is my two cents worth.
I've always found it very hard to respect anyone who has a "This show sucks and no other opinion matters". Likewise, the "This show is wonderful and no other opinion matters" doesn't win points with me either.
See... you didn't do anything but attack me.
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But truth is something much more powerful than any of us. Someone who is searching will find it.
So the responsibility is to search.
And, of course, don't hinder others searching by being elitest and combative.If the goal is discussion for enlightenment....You don't get that by pointing to a group of people and insulting their intelligence.
See - that's a lot like racism. :)
And I don't appreciate being called a racist.
Sorry to get snippy at you, but you piss me off.
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Originally posted by danfan:
Brave try, Jest. You've done what you can...
I was impressed with your response regarding whether fanboys deserve respect. Doesn't matter what identifiable group/culture people refer to. That's a sentiment that seems to get lost way too often anymore. It lifts my spirits to see it restated so simply.
And yet, not one point in my essay is brought up. You Fanboys are just defending your beloved Star Trek. I love how Jest claims not to watch it. Hmm.
My experience has been that a new group of corporate marketers have taken over fandom and replaced a small society who promoted Sci-Fi and fantasy to mere corporate sponsored huxterism.
Ask yourself - how many seniors do you see at your Cons (and Cons they are!).
Ask yourself - how many families go?
I've seen people who have been involved with Fandom get shut out of the "culture" by these sorts of people who, as you can see, attack other peoples POV if it hurts thier precious Star Trek fetish.
It's funny how my point is proven with every post that attacks me and fails to even recognise that the Fanboy rap is one that is deserved. There are artists out there, like Joss Whedon, who aren't welcomed at these Cons. Oh I've seen Joss struggle to be accepted... it's been ugly. But with the corporate take over of these "events" and "promotions" the imprtance of the genre has completely given way to crass commercialism. That is, sell the crap we got and don't let any new blood in to take our glory.
Oh.. there is more.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
And yet, not one point in my essay is brought up.
That would be because you have proven your opinions useless and unimportant by your behavior. The last time I made a specific comment on a point in your essay, you misinterpreted my comment. To replay the point, I thought that your comment about a character was misogynistic because you referred to that character's behavior in sexually ugly and degrading terms that weren't necessary to make your point. You replied by saying that I called you a misogynist because you called the character misogynistic and suggested that I behave in some fictional behavior with another character in the show. Fewer people are responding to your essay because you do not respond to their responses... you are bankrupting any validity that your opinions ever had.
My post to Jest wasn't about you. It was about a simple, gracious statement made by her that impressed me.
I have wasted my last minute in this thread.
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Whatever Dr. Phil. Don't let the door hit your smelly fanboy ass on the way out.
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Danfan,
Yeah, I think that everything that can be said has been, in multiple ways by multiple people.
I come back merely to say thanks for the support. *winks*
And while the sentiment may not get said alot, I do see that respect happen in some of the threads in the actions.
I only say some because, frankly, I'm a newbie here and haven't been watching long ;) Don't want to say a lot when some experienced people have seen otherwise, but don't want to belittle the fact that respect was something that I saw in tons of posts previous to mine.
And while I don't want to get too 'mutual back-patting society'...
Here's to edifying eachother, eh? :)
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This thread makes Pammy and Tommy Lee look like a loving couple... 
I read all the comments. There's some serious beef. It seems like a subject you're passionate about. Why's talking about Enterprise and politics important to you GM?
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^^^ CosmicFugitive, first let me say thank you for asking - Enterprise is a wildly horrible show for any reason you can name. And it's fun to tease the Marketing sock puppets on the Net. 
Have you ever noticed that any dissenting remark about Enterprise causes people who have never posted before to come out of the woodwork? Check thier histories... you might be surprised.
The main reason I did this was simply to express my horror at Enterprise and it's obvious polemic. Not to mention the racism and sexism.
Why no one else thinks that is a good thing to be mad about says far more about them than me.
And considering the USA is a fascist state these days it's important for everyone to PUT DOWN THE FANBOY CRAP AND GRAB A LITTLE REALITY! TAKE THE RED PILL!!!
But noooooo... I'm a bad person. :rollseyes:
There is, what is defined as "Fanboy culture" that refers to the commercialization of genre Fandom. Something that is a great detriment to the future of genre. After all... I'm saying that Fanboy culture is partly responsible for Fireflys' cancellation.
I know people like to think of themselves as "Fanboys" but that is a mistake. Why would anyone support such corporate sleaze? If a person calls themself a Fanboy... they don't know what's going on in genre and they need to put down the $100 Boba Fett doll and get a frellin' grip. When I see Fandom usurped by Paramount Marketing and thier ilk, who simply fill the Cons with thier crap, it pushes out all those "Fandom" people who used to go to "conventions" where they met people who loved genre just as they did... instead of simply being lead from table to table buying molded plastic from greedy vendors.
Fandom isn't Star Trek, Star Wars, and a few crappy TV shows.
Now, I didn't mean to get into a "Fanboy" argument but it's really my fault for using the term... see the first few posts. I've only myelf to blame. But hey... if being called a "smelly Fanboy" upsets someone then GET A LIFE. Sheesh. Personlly, being called a racist is a perfectly valid reason to tell that @%@$# where to get off.
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It's true about the state of conventions. In the U.K, the numbers are going down slowly every year.
Although, Enterprise is set closer to our timeline and the show needs to reflect that.
In the Trek universe, humankind went through centuries of war (WWIII as hinted in First Contact and the Eugenics war or something as hinted in the original series?), before they changed their ways and formed the Federation.
Enterprise is just part of that process showing that war's never good and that humans aren't perfect at dealing with it no matter what type of enemy they face.
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Why no one else thinks that is a good thing to be mad about says far more about them than me.
I'd really like to hear your opinion on this.
Other examples of similarities to real life in Star Trek:
The Borg were a representation of The Roman empire who assimilated other cultures into its own. The same might apply to early christianity when it assimilated the gods and holidays from paganism into its religeon.
In Voyager, the Kazon were a mild reference to the troubles that early American settlers had with Native Americans. Technology differences between the two tribes? Native Americans without shotguns = Kazon without phasers.
Sci -fi is just a new way of re-telling myths based on human truths. It's old stuff. The Gods have just been replace by man. Their powers and the way they used it have been replaced by technology. Instead of the land and sea (which were humankind's final frontier in ancient times)it's now space.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman.
"And considering the USA is a fascist state these days it's important for everyone to PUT DOWN THE FANBOY CRAP AND GRAB A LITTLE REALITY! TAKE THE RED PILL!!!"
Bush ignored the will of those against the reasons for going to war in Iraq. It was wrong. When they protested, he ignored that percentage's opinions. He was so strong willed in his beliefs that nothing could change it. He thought he was right. Do you fall into that category?
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"It's senseless to get annoyed with the world, for it isn't in the least bit bothered if you do." - MARCUS AURELIUS, Roman Caesar.
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