Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:10
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Just been watching TNG on DVD again.
TNG - Frist 3 seasons riddled with bad acting/stories and PC BS
Voyager - first 3 seasons were about the anomoly of the week.
DS9 - first 3 seasons was "Days of our Lives" in space.
Enterprise - first 3 seasons far more interesting, faster paced, better stories.
Trek has never been this good. Traditionally its taken a few episodes for the shows to find their feet. I look forward to seeing what they do with Enterprise.
If you want to trash something go choose one of the many reality TV shows out there. Leave Scifi alone.
"God bless the homeless, they make desperate passonite lovers but they will rob u blind" D Herbig.
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Um, hate to say this, but I think Buffy and Angel played more into the "FanBoy" sexual fantasy thing you keep thinking about. What's more D 'n' D than vampires, witches, and demons? Oh, wait, LESBIAN witches. Raise your hand if you think single 30 year old men living in their parent's basement jacked off to Willow and what's her face. I'm not dissing Joss here (or lesbians), but you've got to admit that things go both ways. Guys are horny. Guys make up half the potential audience. Appeal to guys, get some ratings. It's that simple. If that weren't the case, half the "Friends" would have fat. They weren't. Anyway, yes, I agree, Enterprise is disappointing, but I don't think it's the travesty Ghoulman's making it out to be. Although, Nazi aliens???? Hmmm.....
"Once in flight school, I was laconic..." -Wash
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Grrr....leave my show alone. If you don't like it--cool. But do you really have to stir up an entire campaign against it? I don't think so. I think that's just a little bit spiteful--and it irks me.
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Since ENTERPRISE began it has been hailed as being the very worst Star Trek ever done... and after Voyager that's quite an accomplishment. Now, after three seasons of fascistic, racist, and horrifically mysoginistic story lines the TV viewing public, who avoided this show like dog shit on the sidewalk, will get more.
First, I liked Voyager. It's the first Star Trek show I watched regularly. I also love DS9.
Next to the insane ramble about racisim, fascistic, mysoginistic storylines. Do you even watch this show. The first officer of the freaking ship is a woman. The pilot of the ship is black (and don't you even try to argue that simply because he's a bit character he doesn't count--he still doesn't fall into any sterotypes--he's just a person who is black). The communications officer is a woman. On and on I could go. Star Trek is about a lot of things, but it has never, never been about any of those things you mentioned.
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No one cares for the material except a very, very, smelly and small number of Fan boy freaks. You know... the kind who have no life but fetishizing dolls and other 'collectibles'. Forget those who appreciated the intricate and smart stories from the original series 40 years ago... those people are looong gone.
So I'm a fanboy freak because I like a show? Thanks for the vote of confidence. I don't even have any action figures, although some of my friends do--and I think they'd like if very much if you cut them some slack. A person's hobbies are there own business, but I guess it offends the senseiblities of a person like you to know that not everyone likes the same things as you. Oh, and by the way--I like TOS. As for intricate episodes...take off your rose colored glasses. It was a good show, for its time, but it was never perfect. And while it was often smart, it was never that complex.
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Notice how popular shows (can we think of one? Hmm... something by that Joss guy) get the shaft while "franchises" get perpetuated as if they deserve too. The lesson being that a brand name is far, far, more important than a good show.
Firefly was never anymore 'popular' than Enterprise. They got pretty damn similar ratings actually. And as for if it 'deserves' to continue, well I think both shows deserve to continue (I'm a proud Firefly fan btw). I'll agree that often times a brand name means more than it should.
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Notice how the protagonist, Capt. Archer, is the son of a "great man" who was held back by the (liberal) Vulcans.
If you're going to start comparisons--at least couldn't you pay enough attention to do things right? The Vulcans can't be considered liberal, because they want to keep the status quoe. Archer's father is the one who wants to make radical changes making him the liberal.
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As the show progresses, Archer becomes increasingly more angry and with a terrorist attack on Earth by an alien race he agrees to "do what it takes" to ... well, the actual goals aren't defined. Stop the bad guys? Sound familiar? Propoganda is not what I watch Star Trek for let alone a soft sell for the War in Iraq. It's become painfully obvious that Enterprise means to present the 'War against Islam" as a great adventure. Sick.
Oh god, where do I begin. The entire situation is different in so many ways. First off, the attack on Earth is perpetuated by a government--not a group of terrorists. Strike one. Secondly, the goals are defined. Well defined in fact. Archer's mission is to stop the Xindi from creating an even more powerful weapon, one that will be capable of genocide of the entire human race. Strik two. By the way if there was ever an instance where 'anything it takes...' is justified I'd say that the genocide of an entire race of people is one of those instances. Nextly, there is no re
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" DS9 was all about a war "
An oversimplfication, the last two seasons took place during a war, the series dealt with many issues and my feeling was the best Trek.
Best Written and Best Acted
Enterprise... the first two seasons I felt were missing something
Looking back, I think they were a little too stuck on character development as they focused too much on only Archer and or T'pol. The episode I liked the most in that arc was Shuttlepod 1 which was mostly about Tucker and Reed.
The next two seasons they started a continueing storyline, a format I like much more than the stand alone episodes...also did more character development. combined with a few off story arc eps, some worked some not. I liked Exile, but hated North Star.
In addition, I think they went too far with time travel for this series. Building alliances, the occasional fight eps, morallity tales thats Trek. I think this Trek, being the first Trek should have been more TOS in that discovery should have been the focus. The search for tech and knowledge to get them out from under the overbaring Vulcan influence, etc.
Not saying dump it, just saying I would either like to see some new writers or I may not tune in.
" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "
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Bravo Ax. Well said. As someone who Ghoulman has stereotyped (with no basis in reality) as "a moron", "someone who lacks sagacity", and "a smelly fanboy" among other insults I applaud your effort to get him to face the facts before he talks down to and insults anyone who watches a show that he does not like.
Face it Ghoulman, some people just like to watch Enterprise for the hell of it. Not because it is the best show on TV, but because it is slightly better than anything else on at that time. Is Enterprise the best trek incarnation ever? Not by a long shot. They don't watch it to find out who to vote for in the next election or to catch up on right or left wing propaganda. They watch it because it is enjoyable enough. The show is not sexist, or racist, or pro Iraq war. These are all things that your conspiracy theorist's eye embellished to justify your argument. The idea that Capt. Archer is supposed to be a George W. Bush like character is ludicrous. And something else, if Enterprise had never aired guess what, firefly still would have been cancelled. Because fox execs had their collective heads up their asses. UPN would not have picked up the show no matter what. UPN publicly stated after buffy ended they had no desire to pick up a show from another network that had been cancelled. Enterprise had nothing to do with it. You don't like the show so why not blame it for the fate of firefly. Do I like Berman&Braga? No, I think the fate of star trek would have been in a lot better hands if people like Mike Piller, Ron D. Moore, Rene E., or Ira Behr had been given control of the franchise.
No matter how much you hate Enterprise Ghoulman, it is time you face up to some facts. Enterprise being on the air is not responsible for all of the bad shows on tv. Enterprise being on the air is not responsible for the winner of the next presidential election in the US. And so called "smelly fanboys" are not responsible for either of the outcomes above. If you think B&B and Paramount intentionally put out a sub par star trek series because they knew fanboys would keep them in business blindly giving their money for any merchandise the studio puts out, you are mistaken. Because I guarantee you if Enterprise were of the same ilk as TNG and DS9, sales would be better than they are now. I have no idea what the sales figures are since Enterprise came on the air. Contrary to what you assume about me, I am not part of that scene. I have never bought any memorabilia or been to a con (not that there is anything wrong with anyone that does). It's simple supply and demand theory. If they make a show that sucks, the sales will inevitably go down. If they make a show that is very good, interest in the show will go up most likely and sales would follow. It is not in the best interest of the studio or creators to create a sub par show. Short attention spans are destroying quality tv, which leads to more reality shows and stand alone eps in the scripted shows. I fear the days of long flowing story arcs may become few and far between. And if you think Enterprise and B&B are to blame, then you give them far more credit than they deserve.
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Nice work! Can't complain you haven't taken things seriously and made honest comments. However, I think you are blind to the overt message of Enterprise - War good. Bitches are for sex. Aliens are for blowin' up!
I wonder how many of you would proudly call yourselves a Trekkie?
I used too. 
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Originally posted by Ax:
Grrr....leave my show alone. If you don't like it--cool. But do you really have to stir up an entire campaign against it? I don't think so. I think that's just a little bit spiteful--and it irks me.
Well, it's the difference between understanding that the messages beaming from your TV are not what they seem to overt propoganda designed to imply an agenda, which my essay states ENT is.
One is ubiquitous in our culture, the other is wrong and evil and should be shouted down and ridiculed. Enterprise is not just a bad show with your average sexism, etc. It has gone far beyond mere crap.
Someday, CaptainCDC may come to learn others who are appreciative of Sci-Fi Fandom are just as disgusted with "Fanboys" as I am. Getting upset about what has, as far as I know, ALWAYS been a derogatory term reveals his nature. I found it really funny to see how far this would go. I was not disappointed! Not on this thread or others (Ghoulman loves to start a fight. What can I say, I'm a jerk... deal).
If one doesn't see ENTs terrible traits I pity that person since it's extreemly obvious... the soft porn of the Gel Room, the mission into Iraq (Xindi space). But hey, lots of people still think the Vietnam Conflict was a just and honourable war where American soldiers didn't kill babies and slaughter innocent civilians day after day.
And hey... fight the good fight.
*chuckle*
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You guys might find this interesting:
The demise of Star Trek is greatly exaggerated. I always get a kick when rumors are stated as fact. Today I happen to stumble across an article posted by SciFiUniverse that claims that Star Trek may be cut down to14 episodes due to the poor ratings that the season opener received. I must say that speculation is not based on any facts. As of today the 10th episode is almost completed and the episodes that Brent Spiner will guest star in will be one of the best that Trek has had in years, trust me I have already seen them. The studio is firmly behind Enterprise and we will see the completed season.
Negotiations to have William "Capt. Kirk" Shatner return to Star Trek are still being actively pursued and insiders believe that it is almost a done deal. The studios would not still be pursuing Shatner if there was any doubts about the season. With Manny Coto now at the helm Enterprise will see it's best episodes thus far. To all the Trekkers out there be patient and you will be greatly surprised.
Star Trek Enterprise can be seen on its new time slot on Friday nights. Check your local listings.
Author: Robert Sanchez
http://www.iesb.net/tv/tv101304.htm
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Umm. Great site for news... NOT!
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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
You guys might find this interesting:
The demise of Star Trek is greatly exaggerated.
3 years of articles and even a TV guide "special" called "how to fix Trek" isn't an exaggeration. Jesus save me.
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I always get a kick when rumors are stated as fact. Today I happen to stumble across an article posted by SciFiUniverse that claims that Star Trek may be cut down to14 episodes due to the poor ratings that the season opener received. I must say that speculation is not based on any facts.
Last summer UPN and the ENT production had discussed this. In fact, this was what Braga wanted originally but was turned down by UPN. Jesus... am I the only person who even knows what's going on? Maybe I should apologize to people since they are being brainwashed by an Internet full of crap and lies.
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As of today the 10th episode is almost completed and the episodes that Brent Spiner will guest star in will be one of the best that Trek has had in years, trust me I have already seen them. The studio is firmly behind Enterprise and we will see the completed season.
UPN lost it's Network status because of ENT. The only reason ENT is still around is because the Corporation is a brainless monster that can only perpetuate it's product.
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Negotiations to have William "Capt. Kirk" Shatner return to Star Trek are still being actively pursued and insiders believe that it is almost a done deal. The studios would not still be pursuing Shatner if there was any doubts about the season.
? Riiiight.
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With Manny Coto now at the helm Enterprise will see it's best episodes thus far. To all the Trekkers out there be patient and you will be greatly surprised.
Star Trek Enterprise can be seen on its new time slot on Friday nights. Check your local listings.
Author: Robert Sanchez
http://www.iesb.net/tv/tv101304.htm
More like "Dirty Sanchez".
Wait... the studio that is "The studio is firmly behind Enterprise and we will see the completed season." put the show on in ... the DEATH SLOT?
Thanks CrevanReaver but this article is crap on a stick.
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I do try.
Really.
But Enterprise is making me feel..well dirty. Captain Archer know has the mental mojo of a dead vulcan so he can be the bestest captain ever!
The poor mans Riker is having problems with the Anti-Spock and their relationship. Plus we get some character developments with Dr Phlox and Co with a racisim message so heavy handed it knocked my teeth out.
Its not their fault really. Its all been done before, thats not the problem. The problem is that it has been done before and so much better
The madness has to end. Let the old dog die, is the network so desperate that they screw over the legend and methos of Trek.
This is not screwing over an idea, literally messing up contuinity and pissing on the fans. This is an all out rape of a concept.
To qoute an old addage. ' Damn you, Damn you all to hell !'
Lifes an irony, originals like Firefly, Farscape, G vs E, Brimstone buy it but they keep giving us this!!!!!
Half the fans on this board alone can write better stuff.
Boycotting wont make a change. Still I got a fresh chicken in the pen, I think I can cast a gris gris or two.
And Im pretty sure the good Baron Samedi owes me a favour or two.
' Sometimes to stop the madness is to become mad, when that happens the madness because a version of sane and everybodies happy.'
FHS
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Quote:Oh dear God, no... no... no... NO!!!
Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
Negotiations to have William "Capt. Kirk" Shatner return to Star Trek are still being actively pursued and insiders believe that it is almost a done deal. The studios would not still be pursuing Shatner if there was any doubts about the season. With Manny Coto now at the helm Enterprise will see it's best episodes thus far. To all the Trekkers out there be patient and you will be greatly surprised.
Find a happy place... find a happy place... FIND A HAPPY PLACE!
I did finally give up on this after T'Pol married what's his name and I realized the writers had copped out AGAIN!
Goulman, you were right all along.
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