What's the deal with KPO?
POSTED BY: HKCavalier
UPDATED: Friday, June 7, 2013 19:26
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What a fascinating thread...sadly so, unfortunately, in my opinion. Byte, you are filled with so much hate, and you take things so personally, and judge people so determinedly, it amazes me.
Seriously, if anyone here had any right to bitch and moan about being "abused", who do you think it would be? Who has had NUMEROUS threads put up about them BY NAME, and had their mental state not just questioned, but QUITE blatantly challenged? Who has come in for the absolutely VILEST death wishes, rape wishes and other such things of anyone on this board?? I have never, ever, seen you attacked in anything like as serious a fashion as I have been, but somehow you've managed to amass a lot of "ferocious hate" and "enemies" and so forth; again, I sincerely wish you didn't take this place so to heart. I don't "hate" anyone here; the trick is to "hate" what someone says or does, not the person; there is good and bad in every single person here.
We have misunderstandings; sometime they lead to angry exchanges, but I've pointed out, quite clearly recently, numerous time when you've assumed things which simply weren't true. Given that, I keep wishing it might occur to you that something you perceive/remember might not be what the person intended, or even what they wrote, but how you perceived it at the time, and that perception got cemented into "memory". I've never seen Cav get truly nasty to anyone, so I think it's just possible that what you internalized might have been based on some misunderstandings which never got clarified. My attempts to clarify misunderstandings you've had with/about me has apparently no impact on you reading something, deciding not only what it is (even despite clarification that it wasn't), but what the person writing it was THINKING, and then labeling them "enemy" or "friend" or whatever, and obviously, carrying that forward.
I've never seen anyone here "ask" for "backup". I sometimes see those on the right AND left offering "backup" to those they agree with, but I don't see any one side as more supportive of those they agree with than the other. I don't see either side "bullying" (or attempting to bully) anyone more than any other. I tend to see more nastiness from the right, but that may have to do with the frequency of postings by some individuals, and the wording they employ; I certainly see it from the left as well.
I have agreed and disagreed with virtually everyone on this forum at one time or another, even those whose wording certainly indicates they despise me pretty viscerally. I wish you could stop keeping track quite so much and just take what people write as their response to something specific, not keep a list of "friends" and "enemies".
I wish we all could, but obviously things have gotten more vituperative than usual of late, and it's contributing to "sides" even more than it normally does. It's a shame; I'm hoping it passes, as this place goes through phases. But judging people on something we perceive, holding grudges, "hating" people "ferociously" and making no effort to work out what might be misunderstandings, doesn't help, it only makes things worse.
Just my two cents' worth. I tried to track this thread, but I've been unable to understand some of the back and forth, it just seems to me like everyone's trying to blame someone else and/or defend themselves. And that seems like a waste of time and energy. Maybe some of this stuff could be worked out in PM or e-mail or something, it's just gotten pretty weird.
Eh, whatever. JMHO.
ETA: Oops, I was writing/editing this, and I see the thread has moved on (I started writing it in reply to Byte's last post). I see I'm kind of duplicating Mal4. What she said is some of what I'
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Quote:That wasn't my point, which you evidently failed to grasp. Please go back and re-read what I wrote.
What a load of crap! Just like everyone else here, I respond to those I want to, when I want to. If you're not getting a response...well that's just too damn bad. Grow up.-Jongsstraw
Quote:Indeed. And pointing out that the question about Jongsstraw was such a horrible violation of net ethics, while being silent about the treatment you've received, is a gasp-worthy example of one-sidedness. HKC: Ahem!
Who has had NUMEROUS threads put up about them BY NAME, and had their mental state not just questioned, but QUITE blatantly challenged? Who has come in for the absolutely VILEST death wishes, rape wishes and other such things of anyone on this board??-NIKI
Quite frankly, what I see are a bunch of people posting ME! ME! ME! ME!.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:That wasn't my point, which you evidently failed to grasp. Please go back and re-read what I wrote.
What a load of crap! Just like everyone else here, I respond to those I want to, when I want to. If you're not getting a response...well that's just too damn bad. Grow up.-Jongsstraw
It's still all a load of crap, and the only point you have is the one at the end of your tail.
"Y'know, when I address a post of mine to Jongsstraw, he almost always replies and when he does, he does so with all the grace and civility I could hope for." - HKCavalier 5/29/13
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Quote:Wow, Jongsstraw. What an intelligent and on-point rebuttal! I really like that response... I forget who postd it, so with apologies to the original poster for lack of attribution:
It's still all a load of crap, and the only point you have is the one at the end of your tail.
GRASP!
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Please don't start crying and telling sad stories about your hapless life again. I'm fresh out of apologies.
"Y'know, when I address a post of mine to Jongsstraw, he almost always replies and when he does, he does so with all the grace and civility I could hope for." - HKCavalier 5/29/13
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I wish we all could, but obviously things have gotten more vituperative than usual of late, and it's contributing to "sides" even more than it normally does. It's a shame; I'm hoping it passes, as this place goes through phases. But judging people on something we perceive, holding grudges, "hating" people "ferociously" and making no effort to work out what might be misunderstandings, doesn't help, it only makes things worse.
IT WASN'T A MISUNDERSTANDING. That HK is claiming that's all it was now is just... INFURIATING.
Isn't it so interesting that when I get insulted about something, I'm just imagining it, or it was my FAULT for misunderstanding. I wonder if that would fly for any single other person on this board.
Mal4Prez, even you too? Fine then. Not even the point of the thread.
Continue discussing state of the board, that is what is important. Consider that maybe hating AURAPTOR and Jongstraw and Wulf also create a worsening situation. AND JONG AND AURAPTOR AND WULF SHOULD CONSIDER THE SAME. I will go back to saying nothing about HK - I know I can do that much.
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Rappy and Jongsstraw have shown their moral worth, and quite frankly they're not worth shit. AFA what's going on between you and HKC, I haven't a clue. So when you tally up the board as YOU see it leave my view on this issue blank, because I have none.
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Quote:That's all I've ever claimed it to be. That's all it's ever been. You never ONCE inquired if I *meant* any of the things you accuse me of saying to you. Not once. You just *knew* what I was saying and what I was intending as you continue to do now. So, inspite of your having condemned me out of hand, I'm supposed to bow before whatever accusation you hurl at me and beg your forgiveness? Who died and made you Queen of the Internet?
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IT WASN'T A MISUNDERSTANDING. That HK is claiming that's all it was now is just... INFURIATING.
Quote:Not terribly interesting actually. You've felt insulted, geez, hundreds of times, easily. And the reaction has varied accordingly. And plenty of folks have felt insulted and demanded an explanation, got one, and either accepted that there was a misunderstanding, or went on feeling insulted. It's happened to me more than once. It happens to all of us.
Isn't it so interesting that when I get insulted about something, I'm just imagining it, or it was my FAULT for misunderstanding. I wonder if that would fly for any single other person on this board.
Don't trump this up into another conspiracy. Not a single, solitary soul on this board has it in for you, Byte.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Byte, have you ever noticed how often you are insulted? Have you ever contrasted that with how often numerous other people here say they're insulted? It might be something to think about. I can only vaguely remember a couple of times being insulted in all the time I've been here, and I can't now recall what the specific things were that insulted me. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd hazard a guess that not many people get insulted very often here...we just don't take it that seriously.
"Consider that maybe hating AURAPTOR and Jongstraw and Wulf also create a worsening situation." I've said it before, I'll keep saying it, but you seem incapable of hearing it: I DON'T HATE ANY OF THEM! I even RESPECT Rap when it comes to virtually all subjects outside of politics, and I quite highly respected Jong in a conversation we had some time ago. They are PEOPLE; I don't hate 99.9999% of the people on earth. The "hate" thing is something YOU think, and, from the hatefulness expressed and the "hate" they keep trying to ascribe to all "libruls", something in their minds too.
Now, considering that is true for me, can you even conceive of the possibility that there are others here, too, who don't "HATE" any of them? We disagree; we snark; we mock; we disrespect; I don't take it particularly personally and I KNOW there are others here who don't. So, when it comes to the sum total of people posting on this forum: You're wrong. Does that tell you ANYTHING???
PERCEPTION, Byte; yes, you have a problem with how you perceive things sometimes. It's a fact. I'm willing to lay odds that if you and Cav were to call back up whatever exchange it is that has you so infuriated, to sit down just the two of you and talk about it, you MIGHT well find that he didn't do anything as horrible as what you remember. Or not, I can't say, I don't recall the exchange; what I AM saying is yes, you get insulted comparatively a LOT, and I know from personal experience that you've been insulted by things I've written which were in no way intended to insult you...WE'VE EVEN WORKED SOME OF THEM OUT.
There is, by the way, NO FAULT in misunderstanding; it happens a million times a day to people. If it can be worked out, if the misunderstanding can be cleared up, that's wonderful. If not, bad feelings can go on for far longer than either person would like. That's why I work so hard at trying to sort things out with people. A misunderstanding can cause bad feelings--even, in just such a case as this, "HATRED"--which doesn't have to exist. That's a very sad thing.
Everything doesn't have to make someone right or wrote, bad or good...it's not that simple with humans. It's not your "fault" if you misunderstood something, it can be how it was written, what the person said just before that, or ...Omigawd, what am I doing. I just realized...I've got to get outta here, or I'll be trapped forever...!!!
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Posting the thread here so that discussion can continue about the other MORE IMPORTANT subject. People can decide what they think of the HK vs. Me thing on their own, but I'd prefer not to hear the conclusions, and I'm sure HK feels the same way. http://blu.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=53888
I would however appreciate it if people would stop accusing me of making shit up.
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