What's the deal with KPO?
POSTED BY: HKCavalier
UPDATED: Friday, June 7, 2013 19:26
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"Whether you realized it or not." I'm guessing by your reaction that's a not.
But, in that case, I suppose I did accuse you unfairly. You're right, I'm also sorry to you as well.
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Okay. A few things then.
KPO, you can claim you have no ill will, but if you're really so insensitive that you would start a thread inviting Jongsstraw's enemies to psychoanalyze him and not expect him to take it the wrong way, I can't see your lack of ill will doing much good. If you hang out with, joke along with and generally have a grand old time with Jongsstraw's enemies and you don't expect him to react to you as another enemy, you're kidding yourself.
To me, a person who has no ill will towards another ASKS THAT PERSON what's wrong. And if that person doesn't want to tell him, then he drops it. He doesn't start discussing the other person with a bunch of strangers in front of him. So, your lack of ill will seems to include a lack of awareness of the obvious consequences of your actions. From where I sit, ill will would be an improvement.
And Magons. Hi. I know well that this is not a "left attack right board." I know the right has been extremely venomous this whole time. I would even go so far as to venture that they may even be more venomous than the left, when it's all said and done. ;)
What I'm objecting to is embodied in KPO's thread "What's the deal with Jongstraw?" Nobody on the right is starting threads wondering why, say, Chrisisall got all nasty all of a sudden. They don't pretend to be all nice as pie when the left turns up the vitriol. But KPO did. And then folks started to earnestly speculate on Jongsstraw's mental state. I found it a little disgusting. An escalation of the problem disguised as friendly concern.
Oh, and no, KPO, my li'l sketch of why I would imagine ANYONE might turn nasty does not belong in your thread. To my mind, nothing belongs in that thread. I think that thread was a terrible idea.
Mal4, I got no beef with you. Shine on.
Signy, 1k: you guys are fine. You guys don't play particularly nice and you don't expect anyone to treat you nicely in return. I do think constantly demeaning other people with objectifying nicknames serves only to dehumanize the person you're talking to and creates a toxic environment. Nothing good comes of it and it makes you look like bullies, regardless of how much the other guy "deserves" it. Escalation is innevitable. But I've sung this song before. I'm sure you're tired of hearing it.
And oh, gosh, 1k, I'm not outraged at anyone for being nasty. Jongsstraw made his bed and he's gotta lie in it. The "What's the deal with Jongstraw?" thread struck me as so over-the-top condescending and "concerned" for poor, misguided, li'l Jongs that I had to say something.
And finally, to clarify, Byte: I wasn't apologizing to you in my last post. I don't make half-assed, backhanded apologies. Now that I'm one of the three most evil people in your cosmos, I don't think there's any room for, nor any call for an apology. I was expressing my sorrow that you are wasting so much of your energy hating me for something I simply didn't. Ever. Do.
You are absolutely free to believe whatever you please. You just made a big stink about it here in this thread, speaking of the horrible accusation I made against you as if it were a fact and. It ain't. It just ain't a fact.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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if you're really so insensitive that you would start a thread inviting Jongsstraw's enemies to psychoanalyze him
I asked 'What's the deal with Jongsstraw?', and speculated that there was some kind of sockpuppet behaviour going on. 'Inviting Jongsstraw's enemies...' -- you're over-dramatising.
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If you hang out with, joke along with and generally have a grand old time with Jongsstraw's enemies
'If' being the operative word here, because I've never done that. I started the thread out of curiosity about Jongsstraw and his erratic behaviour. Insensitive? Maybe. But I don't usually deal sensitively with trolls.
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Nobody on the right is starting threads wondering why, say, Chrisisall got all nasty all of a sudden.
But if he did, they might. Why can't you see that?
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And then folks started to earnestly speculate on Jongsstraw's mental state. I found it a little disgusting.
If Jongs doesn't want his issues speculated on, he shouldn't spread them all over our board. If there are no serious issues, there's no real harm done.
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Oh, and no, KPO, my li'l sketch of why I would imagine ANYONE might turn nasty does not belong in your thread.
It wasn't a reference to 'anybody' it was specific commentary on Jongs' behaviour. Go back and read what you wrote.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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One thing: Chrisisall did get extremely vituperative for a little while just this last year. And they didn't make such a thread.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:CHRIS didn't spam the board with zillions of threads he had no intention of discussing, after basically saying that if the threads don't get answered then the lefties here are hypocrites. I know, because I DID answer many of his threads, and where was Jongsstraw?? Nowhere, that's where.
One thing: Chrisisall did get extremely vituperative for a little while just this last year. And they didn't make such a thread.
By anyone's definition, HKC, that's trolling and an abuse of the board. That's beyond vituperative. And if it had gone on much longer, I would have emailed Haken- I had the email in my drafts folder, waiting and ready to go. Jongsstraw GOT THE ATTENTION HE WANTED and was so clearly asking for.
Now, personally, it seems to me that at least two of the righties here- rappy and lil jongsie- are here JUST to get attention. It's unconscious trolling, as far as I can tell. My personal suggestion is to deny them the attention and turmoil they so clearly crave, and simply put them in "time out". But it would take the cooperation of pretty much everyone here to make that effective, so I've taken to ignoring most of their posts most of the time.
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You are absolutely free to believe whatever you please. You just made a big stink about it here in this thread, speaking of the horrible accusation I made against you as if it were a fact and. It ain't. It just ain't a fact.
I can not BELIEVE, even now, that you're denying what you did, that you won't even admit that you CONTINUED making insinuations WELL after I dropped my F-bombs and I talked about my own experiences. I would take this to PM if I thought it would change anything. But it won't.
I'll admit that I said some things to you that weren't justified. Comparing my treatment to the way people who have been attacked are often silenced, disbelieved, and ridiculed for example, and my statements that kind of treatment can be just as bad as the original attack. And perhaps even the F-bombs, even though NO that WASN'T me promoting violence against you and it's still insulting you even said that.
Perhaps this is the reason it's as hard for you to apologize to me as me apologizing to you or saying words of support to you. I've known for a while just how broken things are, and so I avoided you and refused to talk to you.
That said, maybe before you go attacking KPO, you oughta look in a mirror.
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Byte, I seem to have been able to be a voice of reason to you in the past, I hope this post is taken that way too. First, I must repeat something I've told you before, though I don't think it gets through.
Everything we experience goes through a filter, and your filter has a pretty big "Byte is unlikeable" slant. You say you are friends to others but they aren't your friends back. I consider myself your friend, though I don't know if you'll accept it. My friendship does not gel with what you believe to be reality. You think you can't be liked, therefore me calling myself your friend must some other motive. Right? And perhaps you even take it to the next step that if I'm trying to be your friend, I must just not know you, so you'll show me. And then Bytemonster comes out!
Back to your filter: it has the unfortunate effect that just about any statement made on this board about you may seem like an attack. You just can't imagine that anyone would do anything but attack you. That isn't real, hon. You are in essence attacking yourself, and missing out on the large amount of good will there is toward you. Really, there is. I see tons of both respect and caring for you.
Regarding HKC, I see that your hackles are up and believe me I understand what happens when someone touches that particular nerve. But I was there for that thread, and I do not believe he had the intention of saying what you heard. I say this not to protect him (he doesn't need me for that) but in hopes that you will find a way to let this go. This grudge only makes your filter stronger and puts you deeper in that hole you're in.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:CHRIS didn't spam the board with zillions of threads he had no intention of discussing, after basically saying that if the threads don't get answered then the lefties here are hypocrites. I know, because I DID answer many of his threads, and where was Jongsstraw?? Nowhere, that's where.
One thing: Chrisisall did get extremely vituperative for a little while just this last year. And they didn't make such a thread.
By anyone's definition, HKC, that's trolling and an abuse of the board. That's beyond vituperative. And if it had gone on much longer, I would have emailed Haken- I had the email in my drafts folder, waiting and ready to go. Jongsstraw GOT THE ATTENTION HE WANTED and was so clearly asking for.
Now, personally, it seems to me that at least two of the righties here- rappy and lil jongsie- are here JUST to get attention. It's unconscious trolling, as far as I can tell. My personal suggestion is to deny them the attention and turmoil they so clearly crave, and simply put them in "time out". But it would take the cooperation of pretty much everyone here to make that effective, so I've taken to ignoring most of their posts most of the time.
What a load of crap! Just like everyone else here, I respond to those I want to, when I want to. If you're not getting a response...well that's just too damn bad. Grow up.
"Y'know, when I address a post of mine to Jongsstraw, he almost always replies and when he does, he does so with all the grace and civility I could hope for." - HKCavalier 5/29/13
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Quote:Byte. It isn't hard for me to apologize to you. I've done it plenty of times over the years here. I'm simply not apologizing for this extraordinary distortion of yours. And as far as you apologizing to me, for what it's worth, I don't feel any need or desire for you to do so. You haven't wronged me, you have only been wrong about me.
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Perhaps this is the reason it's as hard for you to apologize to me as me apologizing to you or saying words of support to you. I've known for a while just how broken things are, and so I avoided you and refused to talk to you.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:And this: KPO, you're missing my point by a mile. I wasn't sketching Jongs' behavior, I was imagining myself in his position. I was imagining that it might piss me off to be condescended to so unctuously. Anyone in that position might get pissed off. There's a big difference between what I did (empathizing) and what you're talking about.
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Oh, and no, KPO, my li'l sketch of why I would imagine ANYONE might turn nasty does not belong in your thread.
It wasn't a reference to 'anybody' it was specific commentary on Jongs' behaviour. Go back and read what you wrote.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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