Time to Go. (public service message: this may be a goodbye thread)
POSTED BY: RionaEire
UPDATED: Monday, April 8, 2013 20:12
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I thought about adding this in, but I hope by posting it separately you'll have a better chance of reading it.
As I re-read my earlier post I think it might sound critical towards people who need other people to help them out. But no one on this planet gets through life totally on their own merits. And unfortunately this is a very harsh country and a very harsh economic system, even for the young, the strong, the smart, and the fully able. Unless you're born into wealth or have that path made for you, life can be very, very tough.
So I understand about politic silence. Pragmatic silence. I've been there myself. And there's a fine line between honesty on the one hand and going overboard with it till everything is all about you, all the time, and compulsive TMI on the other.
I just wonder if it might be a good idea to acknowledge to yourself the whys and wherefores of how you move through life in order to have a better understanding of yourself.
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This is another NON-RWED thread I think we should let go. It became a Riona-and-Six-love-fest for a bit, and I figured they'd "get a room" and talk to one another after that, but bringing it back to rag on Riona is just silly. I agree, obviously she has some problems recognizing the reality of the internet, and especially RWED I would say, and certainly this has become FAR more the "oh poor me" thread mine was accused of being, but you're not going to get through to her, you know that, don't you?
Ironically, I AM pretty much the same here as IRL, and have always been a bit confused why others aren't. I have time to THINK about what I'll write, so in that way I have no doubt I'm different, but it wouldn't occur to me to utilize the internet to play tricks/games on people or "test" them, or pretend to be nicer than I am, OR pretend to be nastier. I don't know what people get out of that, never figured that out.
Nobody says everything they think, here or IRL, obviously. But I definitely get an impression of falseness from Riona, have from the start, and her admissions about how she's dealt with us served to confirm my initial impression in that regard. I think anyone who comes to RWED, particularly, with an expectation of "friendship", has real problems. When I find someone interesting here, I PM them and maybe we get into a conversation, exchange e-mails, and that can lead to a kind of friendship. But that's a whole lot different, to me, from posting and having some kind of expectation that everyone else will pay attention, remember what you wrote, and become your "friend". That's just weird.
Jo nailed it, and Riona being so pissed off by Cav's casual remarks that she dissed US ALL--the negativity she claimed in the Hitler thread just isn't THERE--and the timing of her "public service message" (by the way, what's the public service in the message, I wondered?), says to me that her goodbye isn't what it appeared to be, and this thread continuing just reaffirms that.
Mostly, tho', in my own personal opinion, it does no good to continue to try to communicate with Riona when she's said clearly she's outta here, she's obviously not understood what others have written to her, and this had devolved into nothing but Six apparently stroking her ego. Why keep harping on it?
That said, harp away. My first and only effort to suggest we look around for REAL real world events to play with. This ain't one. And for the predictable "you have no right to tell anyone...", no, I'm not. I'm suggesting it, and expressing my opinion. Period.
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The "public service message" bit was a nod to a joke Raptor made recently (recently when I posted this), I thought he'd think it was funny, but he didn't read the thread so that's neither here nor there.
I don't understand where the "falseness" thing is coming from. I did _one experiment a year ago on y'all, out of curiosity and all it consisted of was counting how many name calling incidents occurred in a week long period, in response to people speculating on who does it the most. Any one else could have done the exact same thing, all it was was observation, there was nothing more to it than that, I didn't trick anyone into zapping each other when they got answers wrong or have everyone pretend to be prisoners and guards and then switch you, so I don't understand what the to-do is about. All I can reckon on is that people don't get to get upset at their real life comrades so when someone online does something that bothers them they unleash that pent up reality frustration they experience but can't express.
So if I'm being repremanded for being observant and then telling everyone what I've observed then ... then I don't really get it, nevermind. :?
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Yes, this is pretty drawn out.
RI
As I remember you announced to everyone you had been running a 'test' and you would release the 'results' shortly. Even you called it that. Speaking of sitting as judge, jury and executioner - you set your rules, tallied your tallies and judged the participants, who were quite unknowingly participating in your self-described 'test'. So your new and self-justifying description doesn't quite tally with what you posted at the time.
But quibbling over details is missing the bigger picture. The questions are: WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOUR FRIENDS IRL? ... ... ... AND WHY NOT?
Maybe you can answer those questions. It might help you get at the difference in dynamic between how you act IRL and here, and why it gets you different results.
Other than that, yeah, this is getting stale ...
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Ahem, from your first post
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But an experience recently has showed me that you guys aren't really my friends, at least I've come to believe you're not. I've seen people be mean when someone posts things that happen in their real world, and I was curious to know if the same would happen to me. Sure enough, I tried the experiment of posting a real world event in my life and I think I got the answers I was seeking. The answer seems to be that none of you actually value my friendship or our connections, however fleeting they may be. So I think I'm going to finish posting on this forum.
Perlease.... this thread needs to die.
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Sorry Magons, to bring it back by responding, it does deserve to die. But I wanted to add that I, too, noted the specific language of the FIRST "test" Riona ran, and was going to pipe up and remark that the "Hitler" thread had been referred to her as an "experiment" as well. I see you caught that. I noticed it both times...so what's the discrepancy between what Riona called a "test" before and now claims was just "observation", and her saying it was the only such thing, when she clearly created the Hitler thread as a second experiment?
That's an example of the falsness I've detected over time, to answer the question posed. Those aren't the only ones I noted over time, but they're good examples as they're clear. You see, Riona, people may not remember what your hobbies are, but discrepancies sometimes stick in the brain. For me, personally, saying you wouldn't call the man who disagreed with you about St. Patrick a "drama queen" TO HIS FACE--supposedly because that would be mean--but were happy to among us, also stuck in my brain. I don't think he was a drama queen at all, and in my opinion your rather virulent reaction to Cav's remarks, which I certainly didn't see as being nearly as nasty as you did, nor as personal (if you recall what you wrote at the time), as a bit drama queenish. JMHO.
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Once again, this is, according to Riona, what caused her to say she was leaving. She put up an "experiment" about a "real-world situation" and asked everyone's opinions. Cav responded by explaining that what St. Patrick did WAS genocide (I quoted that part earlier in this thread), and chided her with:Quote:
And now after a couple minutes googling, I see that this information is readily available on the internet. Riona, if you cared, all you would have had to do was look it up instead of presuming that this guy was crazy. I find your breezy dismissal of the cultural devastation wrought by your heroes pretty disturbing. Have at least a little tact. Ignorance is no excuse when anyone can google.
And this was your reaction, Riona:Quote:
Cav's response was obviously the meanest, he thinks he knows everything about everything and ...
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Cav is definitely who I'm really mad at, he insinuated that I don't care about Irish culture, which ultimately was very unkind, does he not read my posts? Maybe I'm not vocal enough about how my inner being is Irish and I perform trad. Furthermore he insinuates that I'm just a mean closed minded person. Sure there are a few things that I'm closed minded about and I admit that without reservation. But his lack of the knowing of me is unsavory. I feel like people don't really listen to each other on this forum as much as you'd think they would. I know a bucket load about all of you, only based on what you've posted of course, but I remember what people say and no one else seems to do that. So Cav, even though I know more about him than I need to, doesn't know anything about me, or at least very little. friends know things about each other and pay attention to each other.
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I'm used to being disagreed with, but what Cav did was something beyond that, he was insinuating things about me that are unfair, especially since he's not observant enough to have gotten to know me over 2 years.
I wouldn't even say "drama queen". I would call that an out-and-out hissy fit, for very little reason, and the fact that you trashed all the rest of us at the same time, saying we'd all been "mean" to you, or something like that:Quote:
But an experience recently has showed me that you guys aren't really my friends, at least I've come to believe you're not. I've seen people be mean when someone posts things that happen in their real world, and I was curious to know if the same would happen to me. Sure enough, I tried the experiment of posting a real world event in my life and I think I got the answers I was seeking. The answer seems to be that none of you actually value my friendship or our connections, however fleeting they may be. So I think I'm going to finish posting on this forum.
Personally, given that nobody in that thread was what most of us would consider "mean" (CERTAINLY not by RWED standards!), and people actually were quite gentle in trying to help you understand how the guy felt, I've had the feeling from the start that this entire thing has been quite deliberate...for what possible reason, I can't imagine. The fact that it came right after I intended to leave the board made me suspicious at the time; Cav's remarks and your reaction to them intensified that impression, and now you claiming you only had one "observation", which in fact you called a test and then later "ran" this "experiment" on us, pretty much confirms it.
I really think you should go back to your love fest with Six; he's willing to give you the strokes you want and isn't particularly interested in your honesty, apparently. Me, yeah, I take offense; I don't like liars. It's a "thing" for me, which is why Frem calling me one made the impression it did on ME...and you claiming you haven't toyed with us is a lie. Twice. Period.
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I think I only used the word "experiment" for this incident because I was (still am) pissed off at the whole kitten caboodle and I knew that using that word would make you all pissed off too. You guys are too predictable. But the Hitler thread was an honest test to see what would happen. And this thread has confirmed everything I thought in spades. The only reason I keep responding to this one is because you guys keep doing it. I'm not reading anything else on here, I glance at the titles and think "why bother?" and don't say anything.
In all factuality that original "experiment thread was supposed to say the results right away and not be drawn out like it was, but Thurs. came along and I was extra busy and I'm away from the computer on the weekends, don't have access to one, so the whole thing blew up bigger than it would have. I guess we can blame reality for that one. I just think that if people can't remember anything about the things you do regularly and the things you care about and yet the couple of mistakes you make (the mistake was telling y'all) stick with them like burs on puppy dogs then they're not your friends, plain and simple, spoken and bound.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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You're a strange lassie, Rione.
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Man, is this thing still going?
So is Riona staying or going?
And why do people feel the need to make a big announcement when they intend to storm off in a huff? Are they concerned nobody will notice their absence if they don't announce it beforehand?
If I'm not here, I'm not here; I don't need to tell everyone. Those who miss me will notice, others won't. When I die, it will be the same: some will notice my absence, others will celebrate it, and most won't ever know.
I don't really do ultimatums. I don't say "I'm leaving for good!", because I may very well be back. (Here, I mean, not in life and death; in real life and true death, when you're gone, you stay gone, forever.)
So Riona, if you want to leave, then you have that freedom. If you want to come back, I'm sure the lights will still be on, even if we're out of gas and most of the crew has gone off in opposite directions in the shuttles.
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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