Time to Go. (public service message: this may be a goodbye thread)

POSTED BY: RionaEire
UPDATED: Monday, April 8, 2013 20:12
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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, March 25, 2013 10:10 AM

have you ever visited Ireland, Rione? I went once many years ago. Spent a very happy summer there, mainly in the western gaeltacht regions. I even stayed on an island where they had a summer school in Irish language. I didn't attend, but I always wanted to.

I enjoyed the culture very much, but I was glad I wasn't brought up there. Too traditional and old fashioned for me.

My sister in law is Irish. She has little patience with any idealisation of Irish culture, for I know as much she loves her home, she finds the hold of the catholic church, past and present, unbearable, which is one of the reasons she left.

RIONAEIRE

Monday, March 25, 2013 11:28 PM

For the millionth time: His general opinion of the saint wasn't surprising, I can understand that coming from his experiences and beliefs, it makes sense that he wouldn't think highly of St. Patrick, and that's fair. Its the H-bomb that makes the situation worth commenting on. I spoke to my friend, who is simultaneously Jewish (culturally) and pagan (in belief) about the whole thing and she agreed with me that comparing anyone to Hitler is unsavory, unless they're like Pol Pot or someone else in regard to which there is _proof that they _killed millions of people.

My only complaint about the original incident was the fact that Hitler was referenced and the person thought that St. Patrick was _as _bad _as Hitler. That was my only assertion, that this guy is being a little bit of a drama queen.

Magon's, yes I've been there, I enjoyed myself thoroughly too. true I can't say all that much i nGaeilge but I can say more than Cav can I bet you, and him going and looking online to write florid and grammatically incorrect prose in a future post won't count in my opinion.

Every culture has its flaws, no culture is perfect. Different people have different ideas of what constitutes flaws and what constitutes good things sometimes, sometimes everyone can agree about flaws and good things, depending on the subject. People are people no matter where they're from.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:06 AM

You don't dislike by halves, do you?

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:55 AM

I'm sure we'll probably celebrate Hitler Day in a 1000 years. Wear little moustaches, and be kind to animals.

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:18 AM

Wow. Weird. Riona, you totally read into what I said and rather than ask for clarification you turned it into this epic condemnation of you and now you feel the need to leave the board all because you couldn't be bothered to ask me what I meant. Perplexing. Here's the quote again:

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And now after a couple minutes googling, I see that this information is readily available on the internet. Riona, if you cared, all you would have had to do was look it up instead of presuming that this guy was crazy. I find your breezy dismissal of the cultural devastation wrought by your heroes pretty disturbing. Have at least a little tact. Ignorance is no excuse when anyone can google.

Somehow you inferred that the thing I was suggesting you didn't care about was "Irish culture." No, I was talking about this poor guy you were talking to. If you cared (to know why this fellow was so upset) you could have done five minutes of research to find out. That's what I meant.

Instead, you simply dismissed him as "crazy." How do you like it when someone dismisses you as crazy, Riona?

Well, you couldn't be bothered. The question you ended up asking the board wasn't Why did this guy compare St. Patrick to Hitler? That question was never worth taking seriously. You weren't even curious. You ASSUMED that he was full of shit and a drama queen. And you expected the rest of us to be right there with ya.

And I found that offensive. I found your dismissal of the charge of genocide appalling. I thought it reflected very poorly on you and I told you so. Ya might even say it got my Irish up.

This is a sore spot for me as I too have Druidic blood running in my family. In future, if someone comes up to you and says their people have suffered a genocide by the hands of some hero of yours, I hope you do a little research to see what truth may be behind it before you insult them.

And for the record, Hitler's crime was attempted genocide. St. Patrick's was actually successful.

"It’s my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind son of a bitch or another."

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:45 AM

Hi Cav, I did go and google after you said that and all I found was a lot of slightly fringey websites. I understand what you're trying to say, but I felt very attacked by your "breezy" attitude. Which helped me realize that none of you know me all that well even though I've been emotionally invested in this group for quite some time now. I probably know more about all y'all than you do about me, even though I do sometimes talk about myself and what I'm doing, as most of us do. I just kind of figured why bother spending time here if I'm not actually getting close with people, because that's why I spend time with people, for the purposes of building relationship. I realized that that isn't happening here and so there is no reason for me to continue posting here, beyond responding to threads that I started already.

Also worth mentioning is that I did not insult the individual that my story was about, I let him speak his piece and didn't really say anything, we were on the bus so there were ample distractions available, looking out the window etc. I would not call him a drama queen to his face, because obviously to him his feelings were very real and insulting people to their face is obnoxious. I could very easily run into this person again, and I won't call him a drama queen then either, because that is mean and he would feel personally attacked, because his feelings are very strong upon the matter. I'm only calling him a drama queen to myself and ... everyone else. I see the validity in parts of what he said, I'm not insinuating that he's stupid or anything, just that over dramatization, perceived or not, doesn't win friends or influence people, he's not my friend nor will he be until/unless he settles down a little.

Maybe I read into what you said too much Cav, but that's what it felt like at the time. But I still think its time to go. No one has given any reasons why not to, so its what I'm going to do.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

NIKI2

Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:22 PM

Hooo..eee! Riona, I'm amazed.

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none of you know me all that well even though I've been emotionally invested in this group for quite some time now.

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if I'm not actually getting close with people, because that's why I spend time with people, for the purposes of building relationship.

I say again; this is NOT the place to be "getting close to people", in my estimation, if there is any such place on the internet! You've been here long enough to know the fiery nature of RWED, and how many people have warned one another about just that, yet you think you're going to get CLOSE to people here? We are a bunch of anonymous people who only share one thing in common, Firefly, and obviously their political beliefs even dramatically shades how they view THAT. This is a place where people express their opinins--many don't even say whether they're male or female, or much of anything about themselves. Sure, it's easy to glean quite a bit, but build relationships?!? I find your statement extremely disingenuous at best. You "test" people and "experiment" with them without telling them...if that's how you build relationships, I'm sure glad I you don't have one with ME IRL! I'd dump you so fast it would make your head spin the first time I found out you had.

You wouldn't call that guy a drama queen to his face, but you would to everyone else? Again, I'm glad you're no friend of mine! I don't think you have a very clear idea of what an HONEST relationship IS, to be frank, if what you write is a reflection of what you truly believe.

I heartily agree; if you're intent is to build relationships and get emotionally invested, this is the LAST place you belong.

And everything Cav, who is a pretty damned decent and civil POSTER (I don't know about people IRL, only from what they post), said, is right on target. You DID come here to have everyone agree with you and back you up, and you had and still have no understanding of those who disagree with you. For future reference, if you really want to "get close" to people on the internet, look for cites where people actually use their NAMES maybe, or maybe address one another with, at the very least, civility...and stay away from politics! Just some unsolicited advice...

Shees...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 1, 2013 3:50 AM

I do hope you keep in touch, if you're really leaving Riona. I left here for roughly 3 to 5 years before coming back.

We know how to keep in touch outside of here.

If you do really leave, I hope that you walk away with more than you walked into the RWED with....

I really hope you're leaving because you have some wonderful things in your life that are eclipsing any desire or need to hang around here.

I managed to stay away for over 1 presidential term when I was only able to stay away from beer for 2 months. Others here say they're gone and are back 1 week later.

The RWED isn't a drug.... It's just like... well, a place where everyone knows your name ..... the TV Show Cheers!

"And your husband wants to be a girl.......".....

They sure didn't say that before Frazier downed his beers.......

RIONAEIRE

Monday, April 1, 2013 4:59 AM

Jack, you may write to me and I always write back to people who write to me. Anyone else may write to me if they wish. Otherwise I won't be posting here anymore once this and the best/worse thread disappear off the main page here. I had to tell DT sorry about losing his sister, because it would have been mean not to and I am sorry, because I know they were very close and he did the best he could to help her during this time.

If someone dies then I'll post, but other than that I will refrain.

I do hope everyone had a good day and that those who celebrate Easter had a good day today.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 1, 2013 5:09 AM

We're truly losing one of the good ones then Riona.....

More power to you.

You're so much more powerful than you ever give yourself credit for.

Humbly, on one knee, wishing you the best outside of the RWED. At the very least, you deserve that.

Don't forget your friends here.

Best Wishes,
~Jack

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