What is the best, and worst things people have said about you here? Are they true?

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MAL4PREZ

Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:46 PM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
But Obama has hardly been the pancea he claimed he was gonna be, and those same folks have slacked a bit on chewing his ass for it, and thus some folks feel a certain denial of responsibility is going on.

Oh come on, Frem! You were here in 2008. The only ones who said that Obama was claiming to be a panacea or that everyone who voted for him worships him were those who HATED him. The rest of us know very well that he is human and therefore limited. He himself said the process would be hard, the fact that he was optimistic doesn’t mean he promised streets of gold and a unicorn for everyone.

I was pretty sure that he was in for a rough ride, and even with the best of intentions and damned good luck there was no WAY he’d improve enough stuff to get himself reelected.

I think a lot of folks mistook the elation of the left that W was gone—and replaced with someone capable of rational thought—for worship of Obama. Certainly, there was elation that the US did something I didn’t think I’d live to see by electing a black man. And I cannot downplay the sense of relief that my country would no longer be represented by barely literate oilfield cowboy and his soulless kemosabe. This did make me look at O with hearts in my eyes, I admit. But it didn’t make me worship him or expect perfection.

There has been plenty of disappointment regarding O’s effectiveness on this website by his “supporters”. The RWA types cannot fathom both supporting and criticizing an authority figure, so I guess these criticisms somehow escape their notice.

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Others have "refused to play the game", so far as they are able to do so, and those who are not by virtue of being trapped in the system do potently resent being forced to.

You think you’re the only one? Many of use who have held our noses and reached a toe in to a game we know is dirty resent having to do so. I fucking hate what my taxes are used for—I totally agree about that!

Regarding doing nothing: I stated several times that that is a valid choice, one I’ve made myself. I do not blame CTS or anyone else for it. (Again – as I said more than once!) The harsh words came up when it became clear to me that CTS was not here to talk politics or to address the many ills of the US. She came into this discussion with one goal (IMHO) – to prove her superiority. This goes back to several little spats we’ve had over the years. She was drooling to stick it to me. She pulled out the gang-rape thing so I’d hit back and then she could cry victim and secure her victory as the better person around here.

So I hit back to the extent that I’m comfortable with (believe me, I could have done more!) My current theory as to how to deal with people like this: honesty. I’ll be honest about where I am, and they can play their mental manipulative gymnastics with themselves until they’re all pretzeled up. Which is what I think happened to her. She pretzeled herself into arguing something she probably didn’t believe, but no damned way was she about to back down from me!

One last thing: I haven’t seen The Last Airbender.

And – is FREMD calling other people belligerent? LOL! I know you have to be laughing about that too!

And – come clean about what? Is this to kiki?

1KIKI

Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:16 PM

AFAIK CTS had an abusive childhood. So did a lot of people here. In this group it doesn't make her entitled to special consideration. But she revels in her toxic personality and spreads it wherever she goes. She's not trying to get over it, or trying to make the world a better place, she's the abuser now.

"And – come clean about what? Is this to kiki?"

Frem is the only one who knows. Since it was in a post to me I guess it was to me, but what it means ... not a clue.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:17 PM

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If you think CTS is a piece of go se now, wait till she pulls her 'poor little victim' routine on you, after calling you a gang-raper. The whole - crying, wringing her handkerchief, I don't understand why she's being so MEAN to poor little misunderstood me, I was just trying to be honorable - schtick.

BINGO. I think we have a winner.

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FYI: You might consider, in the grand course of things - *I* am starting to have that opinion about most of you here. Care to come clean, hmmm ?

C'mon Frem, you're smarter than this. You said that people who voted for Obama believe him to be the panacea and are doing nothing else. Why are you saying that? You're saying that because CTS said it, that's why. Even though none of it is true, you forgot everyhting that anyone else had ever posted and sucked in CTS's blanket mischaracterization whole-cloth. I'm surprised you didn't choke on it. Just think back to the pre-vote posts: Did ANYONE think that Obama was The Oracle? Do you seriously think that Niki and others make voting their ONLY political act???

Here's my take on the situation (If you don't recognize the quote, look it up.)

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Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.

Voting is a strategic act with limited choices. The best strategy was, and still is: If you live in a state in which the vote is overwhelmingly in one direction or another, then you're free to vote your ideal candidate. Why??? Because even though your vote won't make a difference to the final outcome, the Dems (Repubs too) DO keep track of the other parties' votes. If Dems vote drops and the Green Party scores a major uptick, the Dem central committee will definitely take notice.

But if the vote is a toss-up, the choice is tougher. You really do have to consider whether to vote for the lesser of two weevils, or whether it is worth the possible negative consequences in letting the lesser of two weevils fail. My personal opinion is that once the bigger weevil gets in power, there is a one-way ratchet to hell, so my advice would be to vote for the lesser of two weevils and try to make progress in other areas.

Forgiveness is not yours or CTS' to give, because none is required. The only thing I would do is slap some peeps upside the head (lightly) for not voting their third-party candidate if they had the chance, not because it was evil but because it was a wasted opportunity.

CANTTAKESKY

Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:29 PM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
People who behave like this do it for a reason.

Thank you, Mal. Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life, and I decided to come here and troll because right now, I hate myself, and I wanted to make other people hate me too.

I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back.

I have a new level of respect for your personal integrity and honesty. Thank you again.

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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:20 PM

And here we have the victim card.

If this were a one-time thing, or an occasional thing, I'd believe her story. But this is a pattern over many. many years. And each and every time it's about some supposed current crisis, some problem from her past, some angst and drama that nobody else can understand.

I have yet to see one topic that CTS addresses without burying her head in the sand to block out facts, without snarking her way into earned hostility, without playing one poster against the other.

And despite her supposed yearning for truth, freedom, and a better world, I have yet to hear of ONE thing she has actually DONE to make things better.

Sheesh.

NIKI2

Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:22 PM

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The RWA types cannot fathom both supporting and criticizing an authority figure, so I guess these criticisms somehow escape their notice.

In a nutshell. Yes, I'm sick to death of the "savior" and all the other ridiculous things the right continues to toss around--especially Rap. It ceased bothering me much after we'd explained it to him/them three or four times, I just assumed what Mal4 wrote. Says a lot about them, seems to me...

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Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.

Sig, that, and that entire last post, are rather beautiful. Not that it'll make any impression.

If I were interested, I would ask, once again, why, if CTTS sees America and our system of government as so unmitigatedly evil, why she's a naturalized citizen? Why not just stay a citizen of Peru, which she must think is perfect, apparently?

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:27 PM

I do hope you looked up the source of the quote. If not, here it is!

Select to view spoiler:

Karl Marx 18th Brumaire

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:32 PM

CTS: Another painful crisis?

Well, if your real-life behavior is anything like it is here on the board, maybe that is causing at least part of your problem.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:09 PM

Err, no.
I was stating that referring to me as "beleagured" was ridiculous in light of the fact that I *am* belligerent and bellicose, in fact quite 'militant' about... well, NOT being militant, really.
Far as Anarchists go I'm hardball enough about it to offend other Anarchists, mostly cause they either haven't thought their actions through or choose to engage in the hypocrisy of trying to wreck structures other people seem to WANT, which IMHO violates the non-aggression principle and makes them hypocritical - and they really don't like it when you point that out.

And the opinion I was starting to have is that it's apparently futile to argue with folk who decide to take disagreement so damn personal that it gets downright nasty without regard to the facts of any particular point - this strikes home with me particularly cause I don't wanna run your lives for you as this is against all that I believe.

That is not, whatever, reciprocated here.
And that I resent this, bitterly, is bloody obvious, and then for those who can't or won't grok that maybe leaving people alone, I begin resenting THEM - especially when they decide to support things which have no real impact on them, but have an immediate and negative effect on me and mine, and then have utterly no humility or shame about it, nor see the hypocrisy of wanting such control over others all the while decrying conservatives doin the same goddamn thing, just on different things.

Just as I see no real difference between the Taliban and the Christian right, cause whatever supposed differences they have is immaterial in thier conduct towards me, same goes for political factions too, cause every little petty tyrant clamoring for a fistfull of leash and wanting to wrap it around my goddamn neck makes me kinda hateful, given that I fail to see the essential DIFFERENCE - they both wanna run other peoples lives for em, and when folks buck the leash are completely willing to use force.

And then they lie about it, on top of the hypocrisy.

As for trotting out that Obama-as-savior strawman, cause that is what is is, all that I said was that he wasn't the pancea he claimed he was gonna be - and this is pure unadulterated fact.
Gitmo is still operational, we're still up to our ass in the middle east, and our foreign policy is every bit the disaster it ever was - yes I am aware he was gonna be roadblocked at every turn and corner by the hard-right cabal, but there were things within his power that he chose not to do, and things within his power he ought NOT have done that he then chose to do, and while thankfully not given a free pass on that shit, I think that many folks were so overcome with relief to be out from under the grasping hand of the rightwing tyrant nutbags they didn't stand to when it really counted against more subtle and insidious means of accomplishing much the same things... and flamed as extremist those who tried to.
Like any politician, Obama could seriously use a major ass-chewing by the public, at the very least to remind him of where the folks who supported him stand, and as encouragement to not keep stickin his hand into the meatgrinder by trying to play nice with folks who have no intentions of doing so - and while I do see some level of disapproval, it's all desultory and apathetic, rather than the focused, concentrated rage which frankly *needs* to be applied to move any politician off their ass and out of the path of least resistance rut.

There's a far cry from sayin Obama needs more teeth in his ankle than the strawman folks shove up to the fore when they don't care for being called on not applying the stick to him.

There's also that this whole little bit as of late comes off as fucking bullying it does, whether or not there was any justification for it, reeking of the same boot-party the rightwingnuts used to hand out when they and their sockpuppets were the majority of RWED, meet the new boss same as the old boss - this is nowhere more clear than

1KIKI

Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:55 PM

"... especially when they decide to support things which have no real impact on them, but have an immediate and negative effect on me and mine ..."

Such as? Who here has supported OVERdiagnosis and inappropriate drug therapy for minors? Who has supported drone strikes? The Iraq War? GITMO? Torture? The USPATRIOT Act? Oil drilling in the Gulf and Arctic? Nuclear power? Life begins at conception. C'mon - name names. I bet you have a whole list. List your topics - and name us some names, and quote us some quotes. Please. It would make your assertions so much more credible.

BTW - thanks for reminding me of that name, I was racking my brain trying to remember who I'm supposed to be. I will endeavor to remember it in the future.

As for me stepping in to support SignyM, it actually looks to me like it's the the way around.

Me, I stepped in b/c I'm old, in pain, cranky, and I enjoy irking the people who post things that irk me. I call it the privilege of being old. Yes, it may be hard to believe, but you're not the only one with significant medical problems, - life threatening ones in fact - and lots and lots and lots of pain. I get to be the cranky old lady. And in this case CTS irked me on Mal4's account. So I did what I enjoy doing - I irked back.

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