What is the best, and worst things people have said about you here? Are they true?
POSTED BY: RionaEire
UPDATED: Friday, March 29, 2013 14:04
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Oh dear. I was going to make some post of peace, and hope it would end, but clearly this thing has its own life.
I seems I may have judged CTS's mentality correctly, in which case, I can only say that I have lived inside that brain and it was not easy. The process I described above, the manipulation and pretzely-ness, are things I have done without being aware I was doing them, and it made me miserable for years.
Yes, she got annoying, as she often has and probably will again. But I agree with Frem: no need for further stomping now that the fireworks are over. If she is in the same place were I used to be, no one is made more miserable by it than she is. Let that be enough, for Heaven's sake!
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Err, no.
I was stating that referring to me as "beleagured" was ridiculous in light of the fact that I *am* belligerent and bellicose, in fact quite 'militant' about... well, NOT being militant, really.
OK - makes much more sense! I mean, you would have a point that anyone who hangs out in RWED as long as I have picks up some belligerous-ishness, but no one will ever quite have your flair LOL!
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As for trotting out that Obama-as-savior strawman , cause that is what is is, all that I said was that he wasn't the pancea he claimed he was gonna be - and this is pure unadulterated fact.
You know, it's proof of how not-on-either-side you are that I often can't get your meaning. Do you mean it's a strawman that the rightwing says we worship O? Or did you see my post as a strawman?
Did O really claim to be a panacea? I mean, any more than any politician claims he or she will accomplish impossible tasks... Which of course fits right into your statement that both sides suck. I guess I tend to skip over some of that, because I take it as a given part of the process as it is today.
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I think that many folks were so overcome with relief to be out from under the grasping hand of the rightwing tyrant nutbags they didn't stand to when it really counted against more subtle and insidious means of accomplishing much the same things...
True. Can't argue about that.
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and flamed as extremist those who tried to.
Really? People who criticized Obama (in a reasonable way, not like the current example) got flamed?
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Like any politician, Obama could seriously use a major ass-chewing by the public,
Goodness yes! All politicians are disconnected and should be chewed. Even if they don't start that way, the system changes them. It's what happens when you have to win votes from an electorate which is itself not real connected.
My political fantasy is to get rid of professional politicians and elections and have public office be a duty that EVERYONE gets called up for, just like jury duty. It would come with an upper middle class salary, so it'd be a boon for the poor, a cut for the rich. We'd have plenty of $$ to fund it, since there'd be no more need for campaign slush funds.
A last thing about your Obama criticism that I'm in a bind over: part of me really wishes that O had steamrolled everything he wanted in his first two years and gotten all his shit done. Another part of me says that this is exactly what Bush did. As much as I despise the Tea Party and the current GOP, they are Americans, and they should be part of the process. This makes things slower, and even has despicable results, like more innocents killed overseas when the wars drag on. Buy it seems like letting the political pendulum take ever wider swings will lead to even worse disasters.
Loving the USA (not that we all have to) means that, while recognizing our shortcomings, we ought to respect the process that got us to where we are now. As flawed as we are, I much prefer living here and now rather than Europe in the 1700's. (Sorry this is lecture-y, it's a thought that's been rolling around for a while and isn't complete yet. Just throwing it out there.)
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I hope none of you would imagine that I've been taken in by CTS's great Powers of Manipulation, but I don't detect even the hint of "victim card" in this post. Read it again and try not to override it with what you "know" about CTS.
Maybe CTS is irratic and maybe she does have mental abnormalities. If it were true, that would suck, wouldn't it? Is this how you choose to treat people who are worse off than you? I don't get it. I really don't.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
People who behave like this do it for a reason.
Thank you, Mal. Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life, and I decided to come here and troll because right now, I hate myself, and I wanted to make other people hate me too.
I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back.
I have a new level of respect for your personal integrity and honesty. Thank you again.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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It's kind of interesting how passionately most of you are arguing when as far as I can see, mostly you are in pretty near agreement. Old resentments....
In a nutshell, your choices as citizens...
1. Vote for 3rd party options, as it may push a major party into those policy direction
2. Vote to keep the candidate you cannot tolerate OUT of power
3. Vote for the candidate whose policies align most closely with yours, and lobby/protest/demonstrate like mad to change the other policies
4. Become heavily involved within the political process to try and create change from within
5. Choose to not participate in the current system because you abhor it so much you cannot morally participate in any way and live with yourself
Have I left any options off?
Maybe whinge like hell on a board devoted to a 10 year defunct sci fi show (my personal fav)
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I hope none of you would imagine that I've been taken in by CTS's great Powers of Manipulation, but I don't detect even the hint of "victim card" in this post. Read it again and try not to override it with what you "know" about CTS.
Maybe CTS is irratic and maybe she does have mental abnormalities. If it were true, that would suck, wouldn't it? Is this how you choose to treat people who are worse off than you? I don't get it. I really don't.Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
People who behave like this do it for a reason.
Thank you, Mal. Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life, and I decided to come here and troll because right now, I hate myself, and I wanted to make other people hate me too.
I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back.
I have a new level of respect for your personal integrity and honesty. Thank you again.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Yeah, she was just being sarky
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Um. "Sarky" as in sarcastic? What if she's not?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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I know people with serious neurological disabilities. I know people with destructive histories. I know people with both. I have nothing but patience and an open helping hand for them. For decades my efforts to help such people have been at the cost of at least another 40 hrs/ week on top of a full time job. I get it.
But NONE of them are as corrosive as CTS.
This: "... Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life ..." is the typical non-apology of the serial abuser. It's not me, it's b/c of ... fill in the blank with your choice ... in this case "I hate myself". "I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back." The guy with the flowers after he beat up his gf/ wife - again. I'm so sorry. I really didn't mean to. Don't think badly of me. Let me escape your dislike and get back into your good graces.
Me, I'm gong to wait and see how sincere she is. I suspect not very.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um. "Sarky" as in sarcastic? What if she's not?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Yes sarky = sarcastic.
Seemed that way to me. But of course one of the great downfalls on internet discussion is that you cannot hear people's tone or see their face.
Maybe that's a good thing sometime. ;)
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um. "Sarky" as in sarcastic? What if she's not?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Yes sarky = sarcastic.
Seemed that way to me. But of course one of the great downfalls on internet discussion is that you cannot hear people's tone or see their face.
Maybe that's a good thing sometime. ;)
That post does sound like it could be snark, but she sent me a PM that is more cordial. I'm not saying I'm going to enter into many conversations with her in the future, but in my mind this thing is settled and done. Let's all leave her be and move on.
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My post to Mal4 was sincere. My acceptance of her piece of shit award was sarcastic. I know it is hard to tell the difference in print, but there it is.
Thank you too, HK and Frem, for trying to make peace. I adore you both.
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Okay. So I was thinking about this today.
The nicest things people have said about me: Jack says I'm humble, I don't think its true, I fake it okay for short periods, but I don't think I'm a particularly humble person. Jack also says other good things about me that I would like to think are true. People say that even though I may not agree with them they think I'm someone who cares about people essentially. I feel this is true. I do care about people, they're all that really matters for the most part, relationships are what matters when you boil life down.
As for the bad things: People say I'm passive agressive. I've thought about that one since it happened last March, I didn't really understand what that means but I think I finally get it. And now that I understand what it means I think I can agree that I'm a bit passive aggressive, but not to a problematic level, I don't think a bit of it hurts anyone. Why is it such an insult to be told you're passive aggressive? What's wrong with it in moderation?
I've been told that I'm a goody two shoes, what is the etimology of that one anyways? Whether that is true remains to be seen. In some ways I'm prudish and in some ways I'm crude, it all depends on the topic really and what people define as prude and crude, I've got both going on.
People think its "sad" that I believe some of the things I do. If they seriously think that's sad then they should go experience real life for a spell and they'll see what sad is. So I can't agree there. I believe what I believe, it is what it is, I'm an adult with the right to believe and live my life as I see fit, y'all can believe how you wish too, its a free verse.
Others? What are the best, and worse, things you recall off the top of your head people saying to you on this forum? Do you think they are true?
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Hehe....
Riona... I think you missed the entire point I was trying to make with you!!!!!!
Who cares what people think about you?????
As long as you are living what you see as a virtuous life, or at the very least, a life you can be content with, forget about those outside influences (especially from the RWED!!!!!)
I can guarantee that 99% of the fools that gave me shit in grade school are in a much worse situation than I am. Hell.... most of my friends are in relly dire straits now financially with their families.
If you take nothing else away from this, it's that you never have anything bad to say about anyone. That's, at least from my standpoint, your guiding light.
Maybe I was mistaken to call it "Humble" about you, but I really think it is. You must have had a tougher than normal upbringing to continually put others on a pedestal while never admiring yourself for who you are and who you've become.
To answer your question for the thread......
I've been called "fag". I've been called "teacher's pet". I've been called everything pretty much except any "ugly" remarks because that would just show the accuser how stupid they were.
What I've learned over the years is to just go with it....
When somebody tells me I'm a fag, I ask them if they'd mind dislodging the dead gerbil out of my ass because Richard Geer is busy this weekend.
I just leave the boss/manager thing out of the equation there though. They were probably on to something. Any job where I had to actually punch in, Igot 20 more hours a week than any dildo making a remark. I really just feel sorry for them that this is the only job that they can get in their position......
minimum wage with no benefits and no hope for the future......
If that makes me a fag........?
Well....
I'm your Huckelberry......
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