What is the best, and worst things people have said about you here? Are they true?

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NIKI2

Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:02 PM

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Your VOTE is no different from a choice to join a gangrape

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I think this whole discussion is uglyugly. I don't think anyone here deserves "what they get." What we all deserve is respect. Plain and simple. I'm really just overwhelmed with the inhumanity of my fellow human beings right now.

That's about it for me. Thank you for your plea for sanity, Cav, well put and reasonable, but I think this has gone as far past reason as humanly possible, and I don't know how people get back to sanity.

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People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?

Refusing to "feed" something means rejecting it completely, not living in the middle of it's bounty, not having a perfectly lovely life while it goes right on damaging others, yet claiming moral superiority for "not being involved". Running away is running away, period. The idea of an intelligent human being running for President, then because the Presidency is not a dictatorship, once in power being unable to make things the way they want, then QUITTING, is beyond belief, beyond logic, beyond any kind of sanity.

The equivalent to what is being debated is the person standing in the crowd during a gang rape and SAYING AND DOING NOTHING, just walking away. You want to compare voting to joining a gang rape? Then NOT being involved in the system whatsoever, yet living in the middle of it, is JUST as equivalent to standing around watching a gang rape. That should easily be clear to anyone.

And is totally stupid. Both of them. Someone PM'd me about my responses in the actual gang rape thread, and said surely I realize that the other people here are just as humane as I and see the grays. To that person I say: Oh, yeah? When someone--apparently at least TWO someones--actually, SERIOUSLY, condemns all the millions of people who honestly tried to decide how best to use their right to vote as gang rapists, you really think so? If so, that is the height of insanity. ACTUAL dictators who've allowed ACTUAL gang rape is one thing; if one wishes to diss the American government, why not use terminology which fits the "crimes"?

We can disagree about who to vote for and why; we can decry the wrongs done by our government in our names; we can try to change things for the better. But to call people RAPISTS for voting?... ". I'm really just overwhelmed with the inhumanity of my fellow human beings right now."

CANTTAKESKY

Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:25 PM

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Because every human being actually deserves forgiveness.

They don't deserve forgiveness if they are still doing it. I'm still paying taxes.

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I don't know if it's at all fruitful to talk to you like this.

I appreciate the effort. Thanks. :)

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Is making enemies of good folks over the internet a useful or necessary passtime? Is inflamatory language really the best way to make people think???

My first foray into trolling. ;) Though I meant every word I said, so it wasn't really trolling.

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If voting for someone to keep a worse person from gaining power makes someone feel safer then why shouldn't they?

Sigh.

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But there are some people in Iraq who have indeed benefitted from our government's intervention over there. ...You're saying you know better.

No, I am saying the majority of the people in Iraq are saying they aren't benefitting from our govt's intervention. I think if they say so, we should apologize.

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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

CANTTAKESKY

Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:31 PM

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The equivalent to what is being debated is the person standing in the crowd during a gang rape and SAYING AND DOING NOTHING, just walking away.

I am not advocating saying and doing nothing. I am advocating not participating in evil.

I didn't say that if I were Obama, I would just quit and walk away. I said if I were Obama, I would resign in PROTEST. Keyword: Protest. Then I would use my considerable connections and charisma to start a new party that can rally the public into pressuring the rest of government to stop doing evil.

That's not doing nothing. That is just not doing evil.

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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

NIKI2

Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:40 PM

Just as long as you continue to insist that people who vote for someone because they believe that person will do a better job than the other person are gang rapist, you have lost any and all credibility. There are many ways you could disagree with people voting; that one is asinine.

I don't feel the same way about you as Mal4 does; in my opinion, I HAVE to believe you are being deliberately naive and I'm sad to see someone refuse to use their intelligence. You know full well that there isn't a person alive who would deliberately run for office knowing that his power would be limited and he would have to resign immediately, you HAVE to, you cannot be that ignorant. It is the people who voted for Obama you are calling gang rapists, THAT is the issue. What Obama would/wouldn't, should/shouldn't do is not the point.

Calling people misinformed, ignorant, even stupid for voting for someone is one thing; calling them gang rapists is purely insane, period.

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:07 PM

OK, much of the response this morning has been from she-who-is-newly-on-my-scroll-on-by-list, so I don't know what's happened there (besides, judging by the responses, a stubborn insistence to stay stupid), but I have to say...

That PoS banner was pretty good, right? I made that! Never made an animated gif before. I'm very pleased with it.

Oh dear - Penguin11, if you're still around, sorry all this ugliness has come up. Really, I very very rarely do this, and have never gone so deeply or unapologetically into name-calling. I once called all of RWED a "cesspool" or somesuch when there were a whole bunch of these types of fights going on. Now I guess I've become one of the 'cess'. It's kind of inevitable if you stay around here long enough.

Anyway, I hope this spat hasn't scared you away!

NIKI2

Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:34 PM

Mal4, you can always back up, return to your old ways and proceed. Heaven knows I've done it more times than anyone cares to remember, and in my opinion it is the only way to continue here. I have no desire to stay in the "ugly" territory like some, and in my case it always results from TRYING to stay above the fray, and slowly having my intentions eroded without my noticing them until it becomes glaringly clear.

This past week, RWED has become even worse than usual, and I for one am going to, once again, TRY to return to a semblance of civility I can live with. I hope you do the same; just personally, I don't like this new style.

I understand your pride, Mal4, I felt precisely the same a long time ago when I created MY first little "emoticon graphic", taking a quote from the Nixon tapes which everyone here has seen me use, or just type, many times:

(I was pretty proud of that guy at the time, too.)

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:55 PM

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Because every human being actually deserves forgiveness.

They don't deserve forgiveness if they are still doing it. I'm still paying taxes.

Aw C,

See, that doesn't even count as forgiveness then. NOT forgiving people for stuff they no longer do is just childish. Of course you forgive them at that point. No, the only meaningful time to forgive another person is while they're at it--whatever it is. In the very midst of their disease. Or our own.

If we never forgave ourselves until we stopped doing the bad thing, absent an act of god, we'd never be free of it. It can be hard, but so many things worth doing, particularly when it comes to morality, are hard.

Somebody once said, "They know not what they do." Truer words were never spoken.

If you really knew paying taxes was wrong (deeply, objectively wrong like gang rape), you wouldn't do it. As much as you've browbeaten yourself into paying lip-service to your outrageous and unfair arguments about the evil of paying taxes, you still refuse to actually play by those rules because YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED.

Irony of ironies, you've actually forgiven yourself in your body already. Every time your body signs your tax return. Now all you gotta do is recognize that your body is right as summer rain, and your mind that's convinced that paying taxes = gang rape is full of shit and not really a good friend to you!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:31 PM

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Mal4, you can always back up, return to your old ways and proceed. Heaven knows I've done it more times than anyone cares to remember, and in my opinion it is the only way to continue here. I have no desire to stay in the "ugly" territory like some, and in my case it always results from TRYING to stay above the fray, and slowly having my intentions eroded without my noticing them until it becomes glaringly clear.

Oh, no worries about continuing on in a better way. This thing is over! I've got a much better understanding of what pushes my buttons, and if anything like this comes up again, I'll get out sooner!

Sorry to have taken everyone along on my trip to the ugly place. I'm not taking it back though.

CANTTAKESKY

Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
No, the only meaningful time to forgive another person is while they're at it--whatever it is. In the very midst of their disease. Or our own.

If we never forgave ourselves until we stopped doing the bad thing, absent an act of god, we'd never be free of it.

Whoa. That's a very very good point. You're right.

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Somebody once said, "They know not what they do." Truer words were never spoken.

Yes, this is true too.

On the other hand, while we forgive ourselves and pat ourselves on the back for good intentions, people continue to die from atrocities WE are doing. Telling them this is the best we can do, and to be grateful those atrocities aren't worse because we put in the least evil guy we could get--I don't think that counts for much.

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If you really knew paying taxes was wrong (deeply, objectively wrong like gang rape), you wouldn't do it.

I REALLLY know it is wrong. And yet, I do it because I don't want to go to prison. Gutless hypocrisy is the only name I have for it.

Thanks, HK.

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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

WULFENSTAR

Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:24 AM

As to the title of this thread... should I start laughing maniacally now.. or wait? Being hated by evil people is something to be celebrated.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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