What is the best, and worst things people have said about you here? Are they true?

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HKCAVALIER

Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:11 AM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
...to join a gang rape.

Hey CTS,

In a world where there is actual gang rape going on, could we skip using it as a metaphor for large scale political processes?

Please. You know why people who've grown up in this country vote in elections. You know it doesn't have anything to do with gang rape. And with the exponential marginalization of the vote as an engine of governance in this country over the past few years, who MAL4 actually votes for has less and less affect on policy with every passing day.

So, once again, a vote for Barack Obama /= gang rape perpetrated on anyone. Unless you're suggesting that Barack Obama has himself participated in gang rape. 'Cause, after Steubenville, it's pretty clear that there are any number of men in our government who have participated in gang rape and simply never got caught because fb and twitter didn't exist when they were growing up. Gang rape is not a metaphor in this context, it's a real concern.

I'm sorry, I think this whole discussion is ugly. I don't think anyone here deserves "what they get." What we all deserve is respect. Plain and simple. I hope you don't feel as if I'm trying to humiliate you, or score points. I'm really just overwhelmed with the inhumanity of my fellow human beings right now and I know that both you and MAL4PREZ are decent people.

I've been holding my tongue in this forum more and more of late as I'm finding the whole exercise too painful, but I like you, CTS and I like M4P and so I spoke up. Hope that's okay with y'all.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:22 AM

Thanks for the effort HK, but CTS putting my morality on a level with those who would gang rape places her permanently on my shit list.

CTS, you are a piece of shit, a coward, and a self-centered hypocrite. That is what I'm saying every time I ignore you, which will be often. You aren't worth my effort.

There, that's the worst thing I've ever said about anyone here in RWED. It has been recorded.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:29 AM

Yeah, well I think that Voting for Obama = Joing a gang rape is both stupid and insulting.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:48 AM

I too have been biting my tongue HK, but for different reasons.
Ain't about blame, it's about RESPONSIBILITY - there is no level of dividing responsibility to where we are not culpable, and I don't think asking folk to friggin acknowledge it, in any way, however small, is extreme at all, and yet it is treated so ?

People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?

I call bullshit.

For them unfamiliar with the show used as video background, *SOMEONE* has to pull that string, and when they do, how then can they deny responsibility ?

-Frem

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:26 AM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
I too have been biting my tongue HK, but for different reasons.
Ain't about blame, it's about RESPONSIBILITY - there is no level of dividing responsibility to where we are not culpable, and I don't think asking folk to friggin acknowledge it, in any way, however small, is extreme at all, and yet it is treated so ?

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Too many words so late at night. Do you mean that we are all culpable in some way, no matter our choices? I totally agree with this.

I can also agree that assigning blame can be cowardly, lazy, and non-productive, especially in a case like this that involves passionate but, let's it, somewhat powerless people. Blaming us doesn't do much. (Except to make the high horses of some folk get a little bit taller...)

Responsibility is more forward looking: what can we do at this point? That's a much use useful way to go.

Quote:
People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?

I call bullshit.
-Frem

If this is called at me, I will respond, because I do think you're worth it. I didn't at some times in the past LOL!

CTS made a very particular statement, which she clarified and restated more than once, that she sees bad things happening and has chosen to run away, isolating her from the "system". This is is just refusing to try. She is quite happy to let the bad things continue to happen, as long as in no possible even highly indirect way does she have to feel to blame for it. Even if it happens BECAUSE she choose to run away. She has yet to show that her hidy-ness does anything but inflate her superiority complex. She sure hasn't saved any innocent Iraqis.

Have I called her morally inferior for this? No. But she sure as hell is happy pointing her fingers the other way.

Hey, I have made it clear that I think hers is a valid choice, certainly open to anyone, but I strongly disagree that it has any kind of moral high ground attached to it. To go with this analogy she finds so fitting for me: she would witness a gang rape happening and just walk away. Moral?

Perhaps the thing is that you and CTS have given up on the system, while myself and others hope to fix it. It's not very libertarian of you to judge us (and call us gang rapers - will I ever be able to think about CTS and not immediately think: wow. BITCH!) because we have hope and we TRY.

Our choices haven't fixed much. Yours haven't either. So what's all the fucking hoity-toity judgement and damnation?

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:20 AM

And one more post to clarify that I'm not just having a tantrum here. I actually feel quite calm. This is not drunk posting. I mean it when I use these names.

self-centered coward: hides from situations where she might possibly do good because she'd prefer to be "superior" over anyone even marginally trying, no matter if their efforts may contribute to positive changes

hypocrite: because hiding doesn't fix anything, and might even make things worse, so she's in no place to point fingers

piece of shit: this is not a term I use lightly, as I'm sure that to many people she is a lovely person. But she accused a woman who's been fairly severely damaged, and her life significantly shaped, by sexual abuse of being equivalent to a gang raper. Oh sure, she didn't know, yada, yada, but hey. You just DO NOT say things like that, especially to someone you don't know.

And so her actions have earned something special. I wouldn't offer this to Rappy or even to another poster who was once kind of a dick to me. His was an understandable moment of passion. This case is something more.

CTS, you have the honor of earning the highly coveted, rarely bestowed....

CANTTAKESKY

Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
CTS, you have the honor of earning the highly coveted, rarely bestowed....

Thank you. :) I humbly accept. With pride.

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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

CANTTAKESKY

Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
In a world where there is actual gang rape going on, could we skip using it as a metaphor for large scale political processes?

I understand your concern, HK. But I use the metaphor deliberately.

1. Gang. Large scale political processes involve a gang-like mentality with a dissolution of personal responsibility.

2. Rape. The ultimate violation of dignity and free will. Isn't that what we're doing to countries abroad when we invade and fuck them up wholesale? Emphasis on the word "fuck." I see the entire nation of Iraq as "raped" as anyone is in a gang rape.

I am certain Mal4 is a wonderful human being, probably 100 times more wonderful than I am in real life.

But her VOTE for the leader of gangrape is immoral and sucks dick.

I am not even criticizing her vote per se. Cause we all make mistakes. Byte voted for Obama too. He lies. It's not anyone's fault if we believed his lies because we dared to hope.

I am criticizing the continued defense of a vote for Obama. Voting for him is not defensible.

And finally, I will say it again, for the record. I am not supporting running away as a solution. I am supporting running away FROM EVIL as a solution. That's just the first step. Where you run TO, well, there are lots of possibilities.

I am not advocating running away to do NOTHING. I am advocating running away to do SOMETHING NOT EVIL.

If I were Obama, I would absolutely refuse to participate in evil, resign from the presidency, and then either join a 3rd party with integrity, or start my own. Then drum up grassroots efforts like Occupy to make it so the choices aren't just evil and less evil.

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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

CANTTAKESKY

Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?

I call bullshit.

Exactly. Thank you, Frem, for always underscoring the right things.

And since we are on an insult thread, I will happily give an example of an insult that actually fits me, rather than ones that miss by a mile.

What's bullshit is that *I* feed this system myself. Even if I didn't vote for Obama, I pay taxes that feed the gangraping monster that is Obama.

Mal4 is right that I am a hypocrite, coward, and piece of shit. I know what he is doing is horribly, horribly wrong, but I am too much of a coward to go to jail for not funding his gangrape. For my participation in this gangrape, I cry bitterly. I don't defend it. But I don't expect remorse to make the rape victim feel any better.

All I can do here on this board is hopefully provoke people to think a little about their contribution to the gangrape we are inflicting on millions of innocent victims.

They won't accept responsibility, but maybe the thought would have at least crossed their minds once before being dismissed.

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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:46 PM

Hey CTS,

See, all this stuff about how bad you are (and in exactly the same way as MAL4, et al. in that you're supporting the Evil Doers one way or another) is just self-destructive and utterly disrespectful to yourself as a human being.

Ya know why?

Because every human being actually deserves forgiveness. Now, sure, we each as individuals may have a difficult time forgiving particular other individuals, but it doesn't change the truth that they (and we) deserve forgiveness. We all have our limits and we all have to make compremises with power 'cause there are guns and other forms fo tyranny involved. And we're not all of us terribly sane all the time. What you do to secure another day above ground must be forgiven.

You don't sound here like a person who would even know how to respect people, and yet, I know you respect your children. Is it just that they get a pass until they're of voting age? Then you'll hate and revile them as you would every other adult who isn't Che Guevara (or whichever revolutionary you would not revile)?

I don't know if it's at all fruitful to talk to you like this. I talked to Bytemite like this and only succeeded in convincing her that I despise and want to hurt her. I don't see any reason why every person on this board shouldn't admire you and think very highly of you but for these outbursts of yours that serve no one and nothing. Is making enemies of good folks over the internet a useful or necessary passtime? Is inflamatory language really the best way to make people think???

Anarchism, to my mind, isn't just an "ism," it's the truth. It's how humans live and function and always have. All the rest of it is just a lot of lies about the nature of power that people buy into. And of course, those lies are backed up with guns and prison sentences and disenfranchisement for those who don't get in line. That's how things are at the moment. But for all that, I'm lucky: surrounded by friends, able to love and nurture children, haven't had a run-in with the police in over 10 years and I get paid either to feed people or entertain people or heal them.

If voting for someone to keep a worse person from gaining power makes someone feel safer then why shouldn't they?

And lastly, just a few more thoughts about using "gang rape" as your go to metaphor for what governments do. The problem with using gang rape as a metaphor or even just plain old rape rape, for that matter, is that it doesn't happen to everyone (and that's not really a problem at all). So, using it as a metaphor is gonna be lost on a lot of people because they don't identify with it. Metaphors are only as good as their universality. And using it as a metaphor when you yourself have never experienced it is just gonna hurt the people who have. It's like when kids talk about "getting raped" when they lose at a video game. It's, at best, tacky.

And that's the problem with calling the government's policy in Iraq "gang rape." No actual victim of gang rape is gonna say they weren't raped. That the rape was actually necessary and helpful. But there are some people in Iraq who have indeed benefitted from our government's intervention over there. Some people who do not feel gang raped. So, to them it ain't gang rape. So, for you, enjoying the various perks and privileges of your afluent, non-war-zone existence to arrogate the authority to call what the folks in Iraq are going through "gang rape" is kinda insulting. It's just another form of colonialism. You're saying you know better. And unless you've been over there in the past 10 years, you really don't, do you?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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