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Alan and Joss....

POSTED BY: THESOMNAMBULIST
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 17:03
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Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:03 PM

While the fanboy in me wants to take Alan's comments to mean that something is afoot, the browncoat in me, the one that has been here since the show was on the air and went through all of the heartache, the ups and downs, I just can't get but so excited about this article. Reckon that's how love is.....you get burned bad you're too gun shy to jump back in.

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Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:39 PM

“How would one unkill Wash?” - Adam Baldwin, Feb 1, 2013 http://splashpage.mtv.com/2013/02/01/adam-baldwin-joss-whedon-serenity/

“I don’t know how they’d explain Wash’s sudden return from the grave, but I suppose that doesn’t really matter. I don’t care if they use black magic or George Lucas levels of ret-conning, just bring back the entire cast!” - Feb 6, 2013 by Steve L

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, February 8, 2013 4:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
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Zoe gives birth to Wash's clone, which is kidnapped by Blue Sun for its experimental Adavanced Growth Accelleration Unit, at which point Wash 2.0 returns as an assassin hunting the crew of Serenity for payback.

Or a prequel with a LOT of makeup with CGI.

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Friday, February 8, 2013 3:16 PM

This was in the comments with the article:

"In my mind, until a film or series continuation says different, the
crew put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial. Along the
way, they are informed by Simon that the same medical tech that
produced Tracy's hopped up internal organs ("million credit meat" in
Tracy's words) are accessible at Government research facilities. Using a
bit of improvisation and Book's ident card, they sneak Wash in place of
a politico who bumped a deserving recipient (ala PA's governor Casey
who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant). Alliance
bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues. The Firefly 'verse
returns to normal."

I'll suspend my disbelief. Bring it, Joss!

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Friday, February 8, 2013 7:41 PM

When this comes to pass, I will cheer. Until then, it's nice to know that the actors retain their positive attitude toward this show, but I won't hold my breath waiting for the remake.

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Saturday, February 9, 2013 1:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
This was in the comments with the article:

"In my mind, until a film or series continuation says different,
the crew put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial.
SNIP"

I'll suspend my disbelief. Bring it, Joss!



Yeah, that is mine.
I've posted variations of it many times.
Some people love it, some folks hate it.
Here is the whole deal if you like long reads:

WASH LIVES Re: Wash's death in "Serenity".

Based on what follows, you may gather that this is something I feel strongly about. To carry forward the bazillions of what I've posted regarding my take on Wash's death: In my mind, until a film or series continuation says different, the crew put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial. Along the way, they are informed by Simon that the same medical tech that produced Tracy's hopped up internal organs ("million credit meat" in Tracy's words) are accessible at Government research facilities. Using a bit of improvisation and Book's ident card, they sneak Wash in place of a politico who bumped a deserving recipient (ala PA's governor Casey who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant). Alliance bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues.
The Firefly 'verse returns to normal.

I will miss Book but his death was a more acceptable fit than Wash's.
One: Books death was important to the storyline and character development because Book was the catalyst to Mal regaining a little bit of his "rudder". Book's casual murder by the Operative and his dying wish, nay, DEMAND that Mal "believe" again made Mal and crew confront River's Miranda secret, rather than just run. Wash was sacrificed meaninglessly as a plot gimmick to create peril.
Two: Book was an individual who interacted with the crew but Wash was half of a happily married couple who as such made up an important ingredient of Firefly's unique-ness. To destroy that couple as not-even-a plot device is a cheap shot at all those who reveled in a mature, married couple as part of the cast ensemble. Which ties into,
Three: Book is a more easily replaced character. If another character with deep-seated religious beliefs were to join Serenity, (not a Shepherd but perhaps a person who wouldn't be stereotypically devout, say a blue-collar industrial worker who knows why he trusts in his Christian faith) the conscience-character would not replace Book but add to his legacy. But if some "guy" just jumped into Zoe's heart and bed, it would be creepy and an insult to both Wash and Zoe.
Four: Also, Book's mysterious past could be explored in flashback, which would keep actor Ron Glass involved in the series without quite the level of sadness that showing widow Zoe's dead husband would cause. Wash is the "funny" character and there is little funny about being reminded of his death. The dynamic has been needlessly shifted from all the things Firefly used to be about (do the job, keep flying, found family) to life without Wash. Mal has no pilot (and making River skilled at Wash's level is a farce of a fiction if ever there was one), Zoe has no husband, Simon has no friend and advocate, Jayne has no light-hearted counter-point and the ship has no smart-assed comic relief.

Book's role is replaceable, Wash is NOT. I LOVE the potential storylines and character development that grow out of Wash being saved. I am disheartened and depressed at the downward spiral that is inevitable if Wash is removed from the Firefly equation. My fear is that Joss, in his quest for "realism", has cut off major-ly interesting storylines about Simon and River's future, Zoe and Wash's future, Mal and Inara, because of killing or separating characters. Characters being "Jossed" in the words of the Australian Q&A participant. He's already wiped out the whole Zoe and Wash dynamic. Gee, I can hardly wait for

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Saturday, February 9, 2013 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:

So what do I want? Wash back. ...

Apparently, Gina Torres and I are on the same wavelength on this one;
On her reaction to Wash's death in the movie: |
"There was definitely a collective gasp across the nation when we all got the script and read it. I adored Alan and I adored him as Wash, as my pretend husband. I thought we were an amazing couple."

www.etakooramnahsmech.com/?p=428

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Monday, February 11, 2013 12:28 AM

Thanks, PENNAUSAMIKE. I totally agree. It wouldn't be hard to believe that they secreted Wash's body away, and had the funeral for him just to make people think he was really dead, when he's actually cryo-preserved until they can find a way to revive him with Alliance medical tricks.

After all, they live on a spaceship, dear! How I'd love to see that!

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Monday, February 11, 2013 4:26 PM

PENNAUSAMIKE, Wash's death makes sense for the exact reasons you state. If the members of the found family start building their own families then they move on and don't need Serenity anymore. With the death of Wash it leaves Zoe broken and she'll need the crew to give her something to cling to. By killing Wash it opens all sorts of doors for Zoe to walk through.

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