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PENNAUSAMIKE

Monday, February 11, 2013 5:33 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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With the death of Wash it leaves Zoe broken
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By killing Wash it opens all sorts of doors for Zoe to walk through.

And if you find that entertaining, that's fine, for you.
I don't, and I don't believe it is a benefit for Firefly;
neither as a story nor as a commercial property looking to continue.

Some like Shakespeare, some don't.
Some like dark Serenity, some like lighter Firefly.

Mike

ZEEK

Monday, February 11, 2013 7:35 PM

That's what Firefly is based on. The very first episode Mal gets his heart torn out when the Alliance surrenders. Every character is broken in one way or another. That's what makes the show what it is.

In the end it doesn't matter. It's all just speculation about something that's never going to happen.

BYTEMITE

Monday, February 11, 2013 11:07 PM

I actually think Wash dying makes Zoe MORE likely to leave... But that's a story too.

I can see pros and cons of both options.

ECGORDON

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:52 AM

Anyone who is familiar with Buffy and/or Angel who still expected the entire Firefly crew to be around if the show lasted several years is delusional. It may have happened differently in an extended series, but sooner of later someone was going to die, or leave the ship (even if not permanently). That's what Joss does. He gets us to fall in love with characters, then he rips our heart out by offing them in various ways.

Unlike Zeek, I am one of those die-hards who thinks it is still possible we will get something in the way of a live action revival of Firefly. I would prefer it to be Joss' vision that propels the plot, not that of some fan who can't handle the loss.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

PENNAUSAMIKE

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:27 AM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
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Unlike Zeek, I am one of those die-hards who thinks it is still possible we will get something in the way of a live action revival of Firefly.
I would prefer it to be Joss' vision that propels the plot, not that of some fan who can't handle the loss.

At the Tenth Anniversary Reunion Special,
Whedon also shared what "Firefly" Season 2 would have looked like
and how it would have differed from the "Firefly" feature film "Serenity."

"It would've been littler. Most of the Reavers would've been off-screen ...
I don't think I would have killed anybody," Whedon told the audience,
causing Tudyk, whose character was killed off, to raise his hands in the air.
"I think we would've delved more into the Blue Sun conspiracy, which we had to drop.
And we would've learned about Book and about Inara. For some reason, that's the question that's going to make me cry."

ECGORDON

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:43 AM

I did say that things would probably have been different if the series had continued. Joss might not have killed off any of the main cast in Season Two, but what if it had gone five years (like Angel) or seven (like Buffy)? Do you still think we wouldn't have lost a beloved character in that time frame?

THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:51 AM

If Firefly had managed more seasons and in that time our characters continued to face and survive it's dangers, the show would have lost it's gravitas. There are only so many times you can watch your hero's survive perilous battles before the premise of danger, becomes redundant or farcical. Much like the A-Team. After a while it was just a camp joke.

Without the genuine belief that the characters could die, the narrative would fall in on itself. The weight of Jayne being so fearful of the Reavers; makes them so much more terrifying! If you had three seasons of Jayne wetting himself every time the reavers are mentioned, yet each encounter with them results in no harm to the crew, then Jayne and his reaction become laughable and silly. Like Mr T and his fear of flying!

I realise many don't like that the possibility of 'Death' to the characters was a part of Firefly, and that's fair enough, but frankly that's what had you gripped in the first place!

SERENITY ended up making Jayne and his fear of the Reavers in Firefly, that much more significant as a consequence.

I can't recall which Angel it was but in one of the commentaries Joss mentions that part of his reason for killing off Fred was the he wanted to give Amy something different to act. Such whimsy eh!

I'm sure Firefly , had it lasted, would have broken our hearts in so many ways.

°...Well here I am.°

PENNAUSAMIKE

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:10 PM

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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
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Without the genuine belief that the characters could die,
the narrative would fall in on itself.
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I realise many don't like that the possibility of 'Death' to the characters was a part of Firefly,
and that's fair enough,
but frankly that's what had you gripped in the first place!

No, it's not.
I didn't watch Magnum PI in the hopes main characters would die,
I watched to see heroes emerge victorious from a struggle.

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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
I'm sure Firefly , had it lasted, would have broken our hearts in so many ways.

Gee, whatta thrill.....
Hmmm, let's review;
I don't care for Buffy, Angel, Dr. Horrible or Cabin In the Woods;
I could tolerate Dollhouse, but really.....;
I enjoyed The Avengers but it didn't grip me;
but I love Firefly, and it wasn't in the hopes it would break my heart.

I'll finish up with quoting myself,

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Originally posted by pennausamike:
Although there are fans who like the dark misery stuff,
the uplifting elements of Firefly/Serenity are what create an ENDURING fandom.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:42 PM

Originally posted by pennausamike:

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No, it's not.
I didn't watch Magnum PI in the hopes main characters would die,
I watched to see heroes emerge victorious from a struggle.

Hey Pennausamike. And that's fair enough for you and I'm not trying to contradict what you like or why you like it. For me though it's maybe why I watched about a dozen Magnum's before I realised it was not a show I was going to follow.

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Gee, whatta thrill.....

Well to a certain extent yes. A thrill indeed. For the fear of failure adds to the success. (within the context of the show)

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Hmmm, let's review;
I don't care for Buffy, Angel, Dr. Horrible or Cabin In the Woods;
I could tolerate Dollhouse, but really.....;
I enjoyed The Avengers but it didn't grip me;
but I love Firefly, and it wasn't in the hopes it would break my heart.

Well OK. Cool. Again I don't wish to contradict what you enjoy or why. I understand why you can be happy with the more upbeat elements of TV. Nothing wrong in that. I like upbeat stuff too. Just not all the time.

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Although there are fans who like the dark misery stuff,
the uplifting elements of Firefly/Serenity are what create an ENDURING fandom.

To my mind I don't think you should compromise on quality for the sake of fandom.

°...Well here I am.°

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:30 PM

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but I love Firefly, and it wasn't in the hopes it would break my heart.

You, um, might want to adjust your expectations downwards. I know of at least one more main character slated to probably die on Firefly. And there's been potential foreshadowing for a couple others.

I'm sorry but Firefly was inevitably going to break hearts. Even if Joss kept Book and Wash alive (for longer). If characters dying ruins the show for you, maybe you should stick with fanfic.

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