Guns, Guns, Guns.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,
In my country, there was a push recently to require identification in order to vote. This was a very simple and common-sense rule. It didn't aim to deny the vote to anybody. It simply required that a person be identified before they could vote, with a picture I.D.
Yet some people became alarmed at this simple (and minor) regulation on voting. There was a lot of shouting about disenfranchisement and voter suppression and all kinds of nonsense. Some people worried that poor folks couldn't afford to meet the new regulation. They might have to miss work. They might have to travel long distances to get identification. Many wild concerns were raised.
People have a habit of getting worked up about even the most logical, common-sense regulation of their rights. They imagine all sorts of crazy scenarios where someone is trying to deny them their rights, when in reality they are just placing some simple controls on how it is exercised.
--Anthony
Whatever, Anthony. It's not my country, and I don't think I should even be contributing to this conversation. I don't have to live there, I don't have to deal with the consequences of your laws or lack of them. I just feel for those who are victims in all of this, when the solution to anyone outside the US seems so obvious but so hard for those within.
But I'll leave you to work out what to do in your neck of the woods and sincerely wish you find a solution that works.
Broke people nat having the money to buy an ID just to vote.... is "wild?"
Don't go off the rails just because you have something you feel you need to defend. It does your argument no good when you rob yourself of credibility.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Broke people nat having the money to buy an ID just to vote.... is "wild?"
Don't go off the rails just because you have something you feel you need to defend. It does your argument no good when you rob yourself of credibility.
Hello,
No, I don't think it's particularly wild. But the people who wanted to install the requirement thought that the requirement was mild and sensible, the objections were rediculous, and the talk of voter disenfranchisement was the product of lunacy.
"Nobody is trying to take away your right to vote" was a common rejoinder.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:My point is that unless you have a Plasma Rifle in 40 watt range, no hand held gun is going to help you when the tanks roll in.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Um... what about tanks?
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Quote:Tony, you're beginning to lose me here...
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
the objections were rediculous, and the talk of voter disenfranchisement was the product of lunacy.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:My point is that unless you have a Plasma Rifle in 40 watt range, no hand held gun is going to help you when the tanks roll in.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Um... what about tanks?
Hello,
I think the daily lesson in insurgency has taught us very well that you do not go toe to toe with tanks.
Which stops the insurgency not one whit.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Guys, he was comparing the disenfranchisement of blacks and other poor voters using voter ID laws with stricter gun control laws, which he is against, for ostensibly the same reasons he is against the voter ID laws.
Subtext please.
In before objection that "but votes don't kill people, wars do."
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Tony, you're beginning to lose me here...
Hello,
I am here to answer any particular question or uncertainty.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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In before objection that "but votes don't kill people, wars do."
Hello,
LOL!
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:I found you again. No worries.
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:Quote:
Tony, you're beginning to lose me here...
Hello,
I am here to answer any particular question or uncertainty.
Thanks Byte.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
HCK> WTF?
I'm agreeing with you, so what's with the outraged response.
We're capable of empathy and of violence.
All societies have rules so that they can function.
Why not some rules around weapon ownership?
What bits are unfounded or contentious.
Why, that would be the bits you said in your last post?
Hey Magons,
I'll see your WTF and raise ya a WTH??? These three very mild statements here aren't what I saw in your other post.
"I've often wondered weather empathy is learned."
I'm sorry, but I took that to mean you believed empathy to be learned. I figured you were simply hedging (further down you seemingly confirm my suspicion). To say empathy is "learned" in this context is to say that it does not arise naturally; it is to say that it's something alien to our most primal instincts and therefore kinda quaint and nice but, at the end of the day, or when the shit hits the fan, empathy is simply not something humans are ever gonna really get to. That "learned" is what I objected to so strenously. Even dogs and cats express empathy without doing a lot of learning.
"You will never get a society where everyone is empathic."
This really seems to contradict your statement above: "We're capable of empathy and violence," which suggests that you already believe that our entire society is empathic. If you'd merely said that we were capable of empathy and violence I can't imagine any sane person would disagree. Why you gotta backpeddle? Didn't you think what you wrote? Isn't it different from what you're saying now?
"Secondly, violence and cruelty are as much a part of human nature as empathy is, maybe more so since we tend to lean towards that if empathy is not learned."
Okay, see, here you've clearly moved from "I've often wondered wheather empathy is learned" to basing your argument on the presumption that it is. So, really, your "I've often wondered" is just diplomacy. Again, if you were just asking questions and wondering in earnest, I don't think I woulda gotten riled.
And that "maybe moreso" speaks again of empathy being somehow secondary, learned behavior, non-instinctual, while violence is a primary drive in humans. This is mythology.
"We are predators after all."
Aw, hell to the no! That's just brainwashing from the Naked Ape crowd of the 50's that has been roundly debunked for decades. Minus our technology, we're pretty half-assed predators who don't even have the digestive tract to process all that meat properly.
Your second statement above, "All societies have rules so that they can function," is kinda totalogical (what is a society?) and kinda nebulous (what constitutes a rule?) and, to my mind, thoroughly questionable (what are you really trying to say?). You act now as if this is so very mild and self-evident and yet in your previous post you claimed to "know this will be the most contentious." What contention were you imagining if not the one I gave you? What's going on, Magons? I'm really having a difficult time seeing a logical through-line from that post to this. I'm quite willing to accept that you and I are having a terrible misunderstanding. As I said in my last post, I'm kinda sceptical that you and I can have a reasonable conversation on this subject, our points of reference being so wholly incompatible.
Quote:The so-called rugged individualist is a fundamentally toxic notion. As far as I can see it arose somewher
Our species isn't choking on these beliefs, we choking on an obsession on individualism and invididual happiness at the cost of all else. We're choking on obsessive consumerism, on placing objects above people. We're choking on seeing violence as a solution to just about everything, and in America you're choking on weapons.
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