Guns, Guns, Guns.
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I've proposed several times recently that reporting - by school counselors, doctors, psychiatric professionals, and family members - of folks who might be prone to mass killing should be encouraged, so those persons might get evaluation, treatment, or possibly confinement; possibly with disincentives for failure to make such a report. No one seems interested in this idea. Any idea why?
Because we thought you were joking because it's a terrible idea that puts too much power over evaluation, treatment, and confinement into the hands of people who have been known to abuse such power. People known to target black sheep and families of black sheep at school and fudge evaluations to make problems just Go Away. I mean jesus, Zero Tolerance isn't even as close to all encompassing as what you just proposed and that Zero Tolerance is a violation of rights debacle with problems and failures of common sense all over.
Most crazy people aren't dangerous. Most crazy people aren't even like ME! They're entitled to rights same as anyone else, rights to refuse treatment, rights to refuse confinement, and maybe, even, the right to keep a gun at home to defend themselves. My grandmother on my mother's side had vascular dementia and and alcohol problem that pushed it even further, and she had a gun at home for her defense. She never used it, but if someone she didn't know had broken in, should she have not been allowed to have it and defend herself?
The problem is the stigma against getting help for mental health issues, and an abusive and exploitive mental health treatment system. Fix that up, give some additional hotlines for people at their breaking point and for people who the anger and resentment is starting to overcome them before they do something bad, and you'll have already improved the situation quite a lot. Without Orwellian Reporting, and without 4 year sanity testing.
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,
This is a common tactic. You pick something that seems awful that most people can agree on as being awful. Then you pile on as much stuff as you can into that thing and try to ban it. It's pretty much the playbook for convincing people to surrender rights.
--Anthony
I only mentioned abortion because I was responding to Frem's earlier post.
"Do you really think, that outlawing Abortion would stop it ?
What are the logical effects and consequences of doing so ?
And yes, that includes "cheating" by hedging it in with restrictions and manipulating the law or its interpretation to make it EFFECTIVELY illegal, without making it ACTUALLY illegal, a tactic I know full well that some of you have firmly and publicly decried here."
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HCK> WTF?
I'm agreeing with you, so what's with the outraged response.
We're capable of empathy and of violence.
All societies have rules so that they can function.
Why not some rules around weapon ownership?
What bits are unfounded or contentious.
Our species isn't choking on these beliefs, we choking on an obsession on individualism and invididual happiness at the cost of all else. We're choking on obsessive consumerism, on placing objects above people. We're choking on seeing violence as a solution to just about everything, and in America you're choking on weapons.
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I only mentioned abortion because I was responding to Frem's earlier post.
Hello,
Yes, I was responding to HKCAVALIER. I quoted some of his post in my response.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Why not some rules around weapon ownership?
Hello,
In my country, there was a push recently to require identification in order to vote. This was a very simple and common-sense rule. It didn't aim to deny the vote to anybody. It simply required that a person be identified before they could vote, with a picture I.D.
Yet some people became alarmed at this simple (and minor) regulation on voting. There was a lot of shouting about disenfranchisement and voter suppression and all kinds of nonsense. Some people worried that poor folks couldn't afford to meet the new regulation. They might have to miss work. They might have to travel long distances to get identification. Many wild concerns were raised.
People have a habit of getting worked up about even the most logical, common-sense regulation of their rights. They imagine all sorts of crazy scenarios where someone is trying to deny them their rights, when in reality they are just placing some simple controls on how it is exercised.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
HCK> WTF?
I'm agreeing with you, so what's with the outraged response.
We're capable of empathy and of violence.
All societies have rules so that they can function.
Why not some rules around weapon ownership?
What bits are unfounded or contentious.
Our species isn't choking on these beliefs, we choking on an obsession on individualism and invididual happiness at the cost of all else. We're choking on obsessive consumerism, on placing objects above people. We're choking on seeing violence as a solution to just about everything, and in America you're choking on weapons.
Yeaaaaah, I was able to agree with you up until the last part you edited in. Ta!
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Quote:Ummm, well, I could live with a ban on certain military grade weaponry.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So here, you oppose a prohibition on guns and nobody here, to my knowledge, is advocating an absolute prohibition on guns. No one, right? What I hear people calling for is regulation.
My reasoning:
You don't hunt deer with a Sig Sauer 551A.
If you're having problems with certain folk that requires the use of such a weapon, perhaps you need to choose a new place to live, or ask the authorities for assistance.
If you're thinking of fighting the government at some point there's only one word I have: tanks.
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If you're thinking of fighting the government at some point there's only one word I have: tanks.
Hello,
Um... what about tanks?
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,
In my country, there was a push recently to require identification in order to vote. This was a very simple and common-sense rule. It didn't aim to deny the vote to anybody. It simply required that a person be identified before they could vote, with a picture I.D.
Yet some people became alarmed at this simple (and minor) regulation on voting. There was a lot of shouting about disenfranchisement and voter suppression and all kinds of nonsense. Some people worried that poor folks couldn't afford to meet the new regulation. They might have to miss work. They might have to travel long distances to get identification. Many wild concerns were raised.
People have a habit of getting worked up about even the most logical, common-sense regulation of their rights. They imagine all sorts of crazy scenarios where someone is trying to deny them their rights, when in reality they are just placing some simple controls on how it is exercised.
--Anthony
Whatever, Anthony. It's not my country, and I don't think I should even be contributing to this conversation. I don't have to live there, I don't have to deal with the consequences of your laws or lack of them. I just feel for those who are victims in all of this, when the solution to anyone outside the US seems so obvious but so hard for those within.
But I'll leave you to work out what to do in your neck of the woods and sincerely wish you find a solution that works.
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