Guns, Guns, Guns.
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UPDATED: Monday, June 30, 2025 05:56
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
The problem is the stigma against getting help for mental health issues, and an abusive and exploitive mental health treatment system. Fix that up, give some additional hotlines for people at their breaking point and for people who the anger and resentment is starting to overcome them before they do something bad, and you'll have already improved the situation quite a lot. Without Orwellian Reporting, and without 4 year sanity testing.
And I'd be all for that. And if that was fixed, I'd probably opt for mental health professionals who found someone they thought was a danger and beyond their capability being able to refer them to some non-expolitive body for further help. In a few cases, I'd probably allow involuntary confinement and treatment if the non-exploitive body found a real danger.
It would be good if we actually could deal with the real problem.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Anthony RE your rebuttle of my post to Frem. You appear to understand the basic concept of power.
A better undestanding requires the additional concept of balance.
Without the power to communicate, our species coud not exist. Its nearly as essential as the ability to invent ways to influence and alter our environment.
So, yes, words kill. But they also make civilization possible.
Guns have been called 'equalizerz' because an 80 pound girl can defend herself from a 300 pound brute with wun. This iz not accurate.
Gunz go way the hell overboard beyond equalization. That 80 pound girl can possibly kill the brute and 50 uv hiz big brute buddyz from 1,000 yards away in a matter uv minits.
The basic premise uv a gun az self defense iz lost bekuz uv its excessive power. The notion that you can defend yourself frum sumwun else with a gun just by having wun yourself and being a good shot iz restricted to a limited set uv circumstancez. Your enemy can put a bullet in your hed before you know hez there.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
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That 80 pound girl can possibly kill the brute and 50 uv hiz big brute buddyz from 1,000 yards away in a matter uv minits.
Maybe if she had military training and hardware. And a railgun. Or a sniper rifle perfectly calibrated with a hell of an accurate scope. Or she's RIVER.
Remember in Firefly when Jayne is bragging about tagging someone at 500 yards away? That would be difficult even without a bent scope. You're talking about five football fields.
Now if you mean a girl could walk into a room with a black market illegal fully-automatic and take out fifty relatively big guys in a matter of minutes, then yes. Although frankly I don't know why in your example we're talking about an 80 pound girl. I think there's an implication there about 80 pound girls versus brutes that I don't want to touch with a barge pole.
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Originally posted by JO753:
Anthony RE your rebuttle of my post to Frem. You appear to understand the basic concept of power.
A better undestanding requires the additional concept of balance.
Without the power to communicate, our species coud not exist. Its nearly as essential as the ability to invent ways to influence and alter our environment.
So, yes, words kill. But they also make civilization possible.
Guns have been called 'equalizerz' because an 80 pound girl can defend herself from a 300 pound brute with wun. This iz not accurate.
Gunz go way the hell overboard beyond equalization. That 80 pound girl can possibly kill the brute and 50 uv hiz big brute buddyz from 1,000 yards away in a matter uv minits.
The basic premise uv a gun az self defense iz lost bekuz uv its excessive power. The notion that you can defend yourself frum sumwun else with a gun just by having wun yourself and being a good shot iz restricted to a limited set uv circumstancez. Your enemy can put a bullet in your hed before you know hez there.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.nooalf.com]
Hello,
It seems as though you're advocating for dueling pistols. Equal but limited firepower.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
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Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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I continue to have misgivings, Geezer. Although perhaps some of your ideas are salvageable in regards to addressing the problem. Just not the forced confinement and treatment thing. Did you watch Dollhouse? See Sierra's backstory? Bad enough as the system currently is without giving MORE power for that.
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"In my country, there was a push recently to require identification in order to vote. This was a very simple and common-sense rule. It didn't aim to deny the vote to anybody. It simply required that a person be identified before they could vote, with a picture I.D.
Yet some people became alarmed at this simple (and minor) regulation on voting. There was a lot of shouting about disenfranchisement and voter suppression and all kinds of nonsense. Some people worried that poor folks couldn't afford to meet the new regulation. They might have to miss work. They might have to travel long distances to get identification. Many wild concerns were raised.
People have a habit of getting worked up about even the most logical, common-sense regulation of their rights. They imagine all sorts of crazy scenarios where someone is trying to deny them their rights, when in reality they are just placing some simple controls on how it is exercised."
"No, I don't think it's particularly wild. But the people who wanted to install the requirement thought that the requirement was mild and sensible, the objections were rediculous, and the talk of voter disenfranchisement was the product of lunacy."
Not according to the this man:
Mike Turzai, the Pennsylvania GOP House majority leader, said that a strict new voter ID law will help Republicans win the state for the first time since 1988.
""Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend, according to PoliticsPa.com."
And so your argument falls down. Please retract your claims and the falsifications you presented.
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Not according to the this man:
Mike Turzai, the Pennsylvania GOP House majority leader, said that a strict new voter ID law will help Republicans win the state for the first time since 1988.
""Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend, according to PoliticsPa.com."
And so your argument falls down. Please retract your claims and the falsifications you presented.
Hello,
Surely he was talking about how less voter fraud would benefit his candidate.
But even if you wanted to make the leap that THAT GUY wanted to disenfranchise voters, that doesn't mean that the vast majority of Voter ID supporters wanted to. They just wanted to add some common sense rules to the voting process.
A few fringe lunatics are attached to any policy, after all. That does not indicate a valid campaign to eliminate your rights.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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"Way back when there was a spike of moral outrage, and knees were jerked ..."
Sometimes it doesn't work, and sometimes it does.
MADD. Anti-cigarette smoking. Two examples that worked extremely well to provide more protection to the 'innocent' - those killed, maimed or injured by drunk driving or second-hand smoke.
Other things that have worked - anti-pollution laws. Laws helping ensure food safety. Laws helping ensure job safety.
Before you blanket condemn any and all government action to protect people, maybe you need to look at the other side of the argument.
More than that, I seriously, vehemently disagree that the will of the people should be ignored. Are we a free society in reality, able to weigh our options and make our choices? Or are we chained to symbols unable to choose?
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Wisconsin state senator, Glenn Grothman, and I’m sure I need not state that he is a…what else, a Republican piece of horseshit, another one of those who are determined to disenfranchise voters in order to win an election. From his interview with Think Progress (Keyes):
KEYES: If it were upheld and in place in time for the November election, do you think — polls have shown a pretty razor-thin margin — do you think it might ultimately help Romney’s campaign here in the state?
GROTHMAN: Yes. Right. I think we believe that insofar as there are inappropriate things, people who vote inappropriately are more likely to vote Democrat.
Let me interpret that for you AnthonyT - it's to keep DEMOCRATS away from the polls.
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More than that, I seriously, vehemently disagree that the will of the people should be ignored.
Hello,
I'm pretty sure that your fear about the will of the people being ignored is even more farfetched than my fear that people are trying to take away my gun rights.
After all, the people have successfully willed my gun rights diminished on more than one occasion in my own lifetime.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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