Film protests: What explains the anger?
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 20:42
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Quote:You're a Creationist, Hero?
Originally posted by Hero:
He created a people so full of fear and loathing that they simply cannot find peace in the modern world.
Never would have thought....
Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Creationists
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Until we admit the religon of piece is a book of evil. We will be plaqued with this culture in every country they come to.
I'll ask you what I asked Auraptor: what's your solution? Describe it to me. Keep in mind that Muslim communities are already living in almost every Western country.
Let's say we do decide Islam is a 'book of evil'. Then what? Outlaw it? Deport all adherents? Make them all wear a patch in their clothing that identifies them as dangerous Muslims?
I look forward to your non-fascist-sounding solution. I'm still waiting on Auraptor's.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by Hero:
He created a people so full of fear and loathing that they simply cannot find peace in the modern world.
Well there's proof Zero is illiterate.
Same could be said of Jesus.
Might be worth the trouble, if you're gonna judge the words and deeds of a person posthumously, to actually know what they were, mighten it ?
The words Compact of Medina mean anything to you ?
Fer cryin out loud it was one of the first recorded acts of Religious TOLERANCE codified into Law, and twas Mohammed that wrote it, just so ya know.
-Frem
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Put simply:
It is systematic.
It is historic and manipulative.
It's years of abuse, avarice and control with little regard for the people of that region, so long as 'we' get ours.
The Obama Administration has little to do with what has transpired in the Middle East over the last several days. This is the product of over 50 years of exploitation.
The video is but a smokescreen that is being used by factions within those countries to incite a violent response for their own agendas.
Sadam, Khadafi and the Shah of Iran, to name a few. Cruel dictators who ruled with an iron fist. All backed, at one time or another by the US, and all ousted by the US (the exception being the Shah of Iran, he was given asylum here in the US). Do you think that the people might remember their lives under the rule of these men?
The Arab Spring was long overdue and US intelligence was well aware of that fact.
"The truth is that there is no single explanation." is absolutely correct Niki. The killing of the ambassador was planned, the video was merely the match that lit the flame, or more correctly stated, just the excuse needed to light the powder keg. As with the Arab Spring of last year, and with the help of the internet, the so-called uprisings have more to it than meets the eye.
Bottom line: Those that were in power in that region, want to regain and keep that power.
Do all the people of those countries hate us? Probably not. It all depends on how they were treated and affected, and by whom.
SGG
"We won't get fooled again" - The Who
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Hi guys,
"I've heard a lot of talk that some of the fuss over that stupid "movie" is because the Middle East isn't familiar with the concept of free speech and that it will take time for them to become accustomed to it (if it ever flourishes at all there). There's some validity to that; although the Libya mess, in my opinion, was a cover for military action, all the other violence in so many countries can't be similarly blamed. So there has to be something bigger behind it. Could the problems with the world economy be contributing? Could it be somewhat a result of our historical interference in the region? Is enough of it "local problems" to explain what's happening? It seems like such massive violence in so many places at once, there must be some common reason..."
I failed to touch upon the "freedom of speech" issue surrounding the video. Yes, it's been said that the people of the region are not familiar or understand our basic freedoms, in particular the freedom of speech. The Middle East region countries are more accustomed to government-controlled infrastructures and media. They apparently are under the impression that the Obama Administration condones the video's message, and I would venture to say that the factions behind the uprisings exploit that fact as well.
SGG
"Oh what a tangled web we weave"
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I failed to touch upon the "freedom of speech" issue surrounding the video. Yes, it's been said that the people of the region are not familiar or understand our basic freedoms, in particular the freedom of speech. The Middle East region countries are more accustomed to government-controlled infrastructures and media. They apparently are under the impression that the Obama Administration condones the video's message, and I would venture to say that the factions behind the uprisings exploit that fact as well.
SGG
Obama, Bush, Clinton.. doesn't matter to those zealots. They've no concept of what freedom means, how to handle it, and are basically being led around by the nose from their so called religious 'leaders' who'll use anything to demagogue and vilify those who " stand against Islam ", or who dare to live life out from under the yoke of religious totalitarianism.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Put simply:
It is systematic.
It is historic and manipulative.
It's years of abuse, avarice and control with little regard for the people of that region, so long as 'we' get ours.
The Obama Administration has little to do with what has transpired in the Middle East over the last several days. This is the product of over 50 years of exploitation.
The video is but a smokescreen that is being used by factions within those countries to incite a violent response for their own agendas.
Sadam, Khadafi and the Shah of Iran, to name a few. Cruel dictators who ruled with an iron fist. All backed, at one time or another by the US, and all ousted by the US (the exception being the Shah of Iran, he was given asylum here in the US). Do you think that the people might remember their lives under the rule of these men?
The Arab Spring was long overdue and US intelligence was well aware of that fact.
"The truth is that there is no single explanation." is absolutely correct Niki. The killing of the ambassador was planned, the video was merely the match that lit the flame, or more correctly stated, just the excuse needed to light the powder keg. As with the Arab Spring of last year, and with the help of the internet, the so-called uprisings have more to it than meets the eye.
Bottom line: Those that were in power in that region, want to regain and keep that power.
Do all the people of those countries hate us? Probably not. It all depends on how they were treated and affected, and by whom.
SGG
In mad agreement with your post here.
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Shiny, you pretty much nailed it, in my opinion.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read those who are so bigoted and ignorant they condemn Islam--and Mohammed, of all people!--the way they do. That's the way far too many stupid, ignorant Americans think, and it's nauseating. Islam IS a religion of peace; so is Christianity. Mohammed DID preach peace and tolerance...actually, according to the Bible, more than Jesus did. Both religions have been used as an excuse for violence and hideous actions. Be they pope, priest or mullah, both religions have been utilized by their "leaders" to lead their followers around by their noses.
We can get into the argument again about which religion has been more violent, historically, currently or whatever. The fact is both have been used in the same way.
Some of the differences are that we've had it real easy--from Europe to America, we've had plenty, we've had arable land, and historically we've been free of oppression MUCH longer. When life has little meaning because staying alive is so damned hard, violence is a predictable result. I've posted over and over what life was like in Afghanistan a mere FIFTY years ago; that those facts have failed to permeate the brains of those who'd rather hate than understand is obvious, but stupid. Ignorance can't be used as an excuse when people have been TOLD (but failed to comprehend) how different a society is from what we live with, CHOOSING to hate blindly and without reservation is not the sign of ignorance, but rather of a cretinous, half-witted, moronic mentality.
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You're right Niki- there are far too many who refuse to learn and accept other cultures & customs. Then base their hatred on hearsay, propaganda and boldface lies.
Granted you see people burning buildings and throwing stones but they've been lied to as well. Plus it's been reported that many within these countries want democracy. But we must understand that they have been used to their old ways for thousands of years.
In some parts they still stone people.
SGG
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You are right, to a point Mr. Auraptor. These are the fanaticals within their countries that are either religious zealots or extreme radicals who are stirring up trouble. But they are the exception rather than the rule, much like we have here.
We have nuts of all kinds.
sgg
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