Film protests: What explains the anger?
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N Deuce,
You can't figure out evil it just is. The film is a ruse. 9/11 attacks Black September. Our intel should be on high alert. The administration failed. Our state department is a mouth piece for the UN. Now the Afghans usually don't attack during Ramadan or in the winter months. Now our media is so anti american or west that they hide the reality of what is going on. Arab spring isn't about change for democracy but just replacing a tyrant for a theocracy. Major outlets of news around the world are just different spins.
Look at the Arab spring how many women reporters were raped. On camera no less does this sound normal to you. These are lefty libs who go over to put the spin for their news outlets and get tortured for it. Women should not be over there for anything. Why did the UK Guardian never report on the french independent reporter who was raped to death.
Sweeden in the last 5 years has had 83 rapes all committed by immigrant muslim men. Why is this? Because the Koran allows non muslims to be treated less than animals. Until we admit the religon of piece is a book of evil. We will be plaqued with this culture in every country they come to.
It is sad when you have to go to websites like stormfront and bestgore.com to get some answers. I don't trust CNN or FOX.
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Well said, Byte...and what Mike posted pretty much backs it up!
Mike, that sickens me--I suppose it shouldn't surprise me, but it does sicken me.
As does the troll's offering...which again, doesn't surprise me. Doesn't particularly offend me, given the source, but does sicken me.
The point he's trying to make is also immaterial. Other religions have had hundreds of years to get accustomed to their gods being ridiculed, made fun of in many ways, etc. Muslims have not, simple as that. You don't change a civilization overnight, or even over a couple of generations. It's changing, little by little, but there is NO comparison to other religions where depictions of the god aren't blasphemy (except probably to some right-wing "Christians"!).
stormfront and bestgore.com, eh? Well, that pretty much disqualifies you from any rational discussion. There are other sources than CNN and FauxNews from which to get at least RELATIVELY impartial news, but buddy, those ain't them!!!
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I think this best answers the initial question of what explains the anger:Quote:
The recent protests across the Middle East have revived a debate about blasphemy in Islam – how it is defined, and how devout Muslims should respond.
While some Muslims cite the Quran or hadiths – sayings or actions attributed to the prophet Muhammad – as justification for violent retribution, Muslim scholars and analysts alike say there is no clear mandate in Islamic theology for such a response.
Instead, they say, the recent violence reflects societies roiled by power struggles and competing ideologies, in which Muslims are used as pawns for political gain.
"The punishment for blasphemy and even the definition for blasphemy is not in the Quran. There are some hadiths that address it, but it's ambiguous," says Nina Shea, director of the Hudson Institute's Center for Religious Freedom in Washington. "So it's very vague and … it's manipulated by those who want to raise a mob and wield power within a society."
In this case, the offending material appears to be an amateurish 14-minute YouTube clip that portrays Muhammad as a bumbling philanderer and child molester who makes up his religion on the fly and incites his followers to unrestrained violence.
The movie clearly was meant to incite a response.
"Sadly, we had idiots on our side take the bait – hook, line, and sinker," says Arsalan Iftikhar, a Muslim commentator and author of "Islamic Pacifism: Global Muslims in the Post-Osama Era."
"Of course there are going to be a lot of [non-Muslim] right-wingers who are saying Islam is a religion of violence," he adds. He attributes the violence to decades of dictatorial rule with little freedom of speech.
Mustafa Abu Sway, a professor of philosophy and Islamic studies at Al Quds University in Jerusalem, says that in Islam it is not up to individual Muslims to seek retribution.
"Their role is to send out the correct information about the life and teachings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him," he says.
Nor is it correct according to Islam to take action against any individual for the trespasses of their fellow citizens, says Professor Abu Sway. "Muslims should not blame innocent people and make them pay for the actions of others," he says.
A statement from the Quran, quoted in a 2011 article in the Review of Religions, says, "Let not a people's enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice."
But in some instances, hadiths have been used to justify murder as a punishment for blasphemy, the article continues. One such hadith quotes the prophet Muhammad as saying, "Kill the person who abuses the Prophet and whip the one who abuses his companions."
In Islam, the primary authority is considered to be the Quran, which Muslims believe the prophet Muhammad received from Allah. But hadiths also carry weight in Islamic jurisprudence, and translations and interpretations of both sources can vary widely.
New laws are needed to prevent materials such as the offending YouTube clip from being disseminated, says Abu Sway of Al Quds University.
"It's a moral imperative for Muslims and non-Muslims alike to enact laws that would prevent such actions," he says.
But Ms. Shea, coauthor of the book "Silenced: How Apostasy & Blasphemy Codes are Choking Freedom Worldwide," argues that trying to protect all citizens' religious sentiments from offense negates freedom of speech.
Such restrictions also often fail to deliver on promises that they will bring social harmony, she adds, and instead create resentments that people "didn't even know they had."
"It just feeds the sense of outrage," she says. "The societies are constantly roiled by extremists." http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0918/Anti-Muslim-video
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Catpirate, I'm friends with some Muslims who fled here from Iraq when Saddam Hussein took power. They haven't ever once tried to rape me or treated me like a non-human animal. -_-#
It's the principle of small sample sizes and newsmedia sensationalism. You only hear about the extreme people behaving badly, not the regular people who are fairly normal. Painting all of them with the same brush is really a misconception.
Denounce and hate the jerkasses that stone women and the jackals and hyenas who stirred up the protests/riots in the middle east with misinformation, I'm fine with that, but if you take it to the religion in general it basically just becomes an instance of dueling religions, "mine is better than yours" playground taunts, not a rational argument.
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Why am I not a bit surprised that someone with "pirate" in his username trusts the info he gets from Stormfront?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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I resent that implication Mikey - Pirates are Anarchists, Stormfront is Fascists.
Say hi to Wulfenwhiner for me if you happen to stop over there, though, preferably with a brick.
-F
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
I resent that implication Mikey - Pirates are Anarchists, Stormfront is Fascists.
Say hi to Wulfenwhiner for me if you happen to stop over there, though, preferably with a brick.
-F
You misunderstood, then. The reference to "pirate" in the username is a nod to PN, of course.
Besides, do you think I'd diss real pirates the day before Talk Like A Pirate Day?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Bytemite, Good for you. I am just glad your not racist because you don't want people thinking that. A liberal woman deserved what she got, right. And I am a bastard for pointing that out. Way back in 80 in a NY subway I remember that Black and Italian woman standing next to me to be safe from those Puerto Rican boys. Who knew those girls were bigots.
Hey Kwicko why are you dismissing me your gay hero Anderson Cooper was beaten and raped. What you didn't know that. I stayed out of Egypt on my way home from the Persian Gulf. Religon, Politics, or Economics if your a westerner it is just an excuse. You see if there is a ralley you can rape people. Because your muslim they are infidels.
Monte Cassino, it's not a cultural thing just happens in war.
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Something I just heard on Al Jazeera International struck me as interesting. (Haven't found it online yet, sorry.)
The Egyptian tv station that ran clips of the film and really drew attention to it, al-Nas*, might have implied that it was much more official and government-sanctioned that it was, and that it was supposed to be broadcast in connection with the 9/11 anniversary.
Certainly explains that particular rage a little better.
If it's true, of course. But it appears these sorts of new highly religious/conservative media might have their own agenda, unrelated to neutral facts.
A report on that in general: http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2012/09/2012918212550140834.
html
*The name means "Mankind" or The People's Channel, it appears, but googling it I found a perhaps ironic namesake:
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Surat Al-Nas, or Mankind, is the 114th and last sura, or chapter, of the Qur'an, the Muslim holy book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nas
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English Translation by Yusuf Ali:.
Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind,
The King (or Ruler) of Mankind,
The Allah (for judge) of Mankind,
From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),
(The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,
Among Jinns and among men.
Seeking refuge from harmful propaganda, eh?
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
The problem's a little bigger than one man, Whoz. Just a little.
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Actually it is all about one man. As much as we'd love to blame Bush for being aggressive and Obama for being weak, the fault lays squarely with one man, Mohammed.
He created a people so full of fear and loathing that they simply cannot find peace in the modern world.
H
Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
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