French cartoon sparks protests
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UPDATED: Saturday, October 25, 2025 15:43
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
HK: Stop calling the artists victims. They are trolls.
Do they become dead trolls or victims, like Theo Van Gogh, when some Islamo-zealot kills them ?
Saying what they do is akin to murder , because it RESULTS in murder, is like calling a girl who gets raped a rapist. I mean, if something she wore "resulted " in her getting raped, that's all on her, right ?
I tend to blame the perp, and not the victim. Crazy, I know.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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This rape victim analogy so does not work! If the artists get murdered, then YES, they're a victim. But if they aren't murdered, they're a douchey troll! And probably still a douchey troll even when they are a victim. :/
It is possible to be a jerk and to be murdered at the same time. Not all victims are innocent, you know. And trying to accuse me of being pro-blaming the rape victim because I think these guys are jerks? Weak argument and a massive red herring and ad hominem fallacy.
The problem is you're equating what I'm saying to that I think people on either side of this tragic farce DESERVE to be either raped OR murdered. And I don't think either one. I hate that it happens, but some of this stuff, people being jerks, people getting murdered, round and round it goes, some of it is just an inevitable function of being human and living in such an awful sucky world. One thing leads to another sometimes. It is not something I can ignore when I think there was wrongdoing in the first place. A girl wearing a skimpy outfit, I think, is something different from this vileness on display. I must be unanimous in my contempt here.
A rape victim has my full sympathy. These opportunistic rabble-rousing asshats do not.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE: A girl wearing a skimpy outfit, I think, is something different from this vileness on display. I must be unanimous in my contempt here.
Depends on the outfit, and the girl, huh?
j/k
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Depends on the outfit, and the girl, huh?
j/k
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I can't be certain what you're getting at here. But, no. It does not depend on the outfit or the girl. Whatever a rapist does to the girl is wrong.
Yet. In this case, how the crowd reacted was wrong, but drawing filth like this, I think, is wrong as well. The difference is, I don't think that there must be laws against everything people do that I might think is "wrong." I don't think that the ability to draw this stuff should be taken from them. I just think the work of these artists is ugly, repulsive, and shows appallingly bad character and judgement, and I don't particularly want to support them or encourage them in any way.
And that sentiment doesn't depend on the artist either. If Bill Watterson of Calvin and Hobbes fame ever drew something like this, I would think he is a massive jerk as well. And I also wouldn't think he deserves to die, any more than the victims of the mad crowd deserve to die.
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Quote:Byte, Star Trek was my religion when I was in my teens (and that's NOT overstating it!!), and when douchebags made fun, I ignored them and pitied them for their ignorance.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
If the artists get murdered, then YES, they're a victim. But if they aren't murdered, they're a douchey troll! And probably still a douchey troll even when they are a victim. :/
Why can't 'adults' of other faiths have the same tolerance for fools?
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Well, I do think that both sides are behaving pretty terrible. Like I've already said.
And I thought the Christian/Hindu/Buddhist porn was disgusting as well. I don't really think highly of those artists either, even without them having caused massive protests.
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Quote:Me either, but take away the right of someone to be an asshat, and a slippery slope that ends in the end of free speech is in sight. Plus, the penalties are way out of whack. If I don't like what someone says, I let them know, curse them out or ignore them. Killing them is off the table. It bespeaks of a small mind, and a truly, TRULY fearful heart.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I thought the Christian/Hindu/Buddhist porn was disgusting as well. I don't really think highly of those artists either.
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Quote:Whoah, WAIT there- they didn't CAUSE massive protests. Even if they MEANT that to happen, the dumasses reacting to what they deemed so important did.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
even without them having caused massive protests.
That's it, I'm gonna go back in time & SLAUGHTER those who made fun of Trek for their infidel behaviour!!!!
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Me either, but take away the right of someone to be an asshat, and a slippery slope that ends in the end of free speech is in sight. Plus, the penalties are way out of whack. If I don't like what someone says, I let them know, curse them out or ignore them. Killing them is off the table. It bespeaks of a small mind, and a truly, TRULY fearful heart.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I thought the Christian/Hindu/Buddhist porn was disgusting as well. I don't really think highly of those artists either.
Chris, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I've been saying. :/
Thinking someone is a jerk is not the same thing as thinking they deserve to be killed or that free speech should be curtailed.
Nor is it the same thing as me thinking that these things happen, or that there's a such thing as cause and effect and people have responsibilities.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Whoah, WAIT there- they didn't CAUSE massive protests.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
even without them having caused massive protests.
I'll have to disagree there. I think they have a responsibility here as to what happened. Just as if people had unexpectedly rioted over the Jesus/Buddha/Shiva porn.
You might be able to argue that the middle east is such a powder keg that if this didn't set them off, something else would have. But what you can't deny is that these cartoons and that movie DID set people off, which DID result in violence. And it was also pretty predictable that it would have that result if people became aware of it. That's the definition of reckless.
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Reckless, adj. 1. Utterly unconcerned about the consequences of some action; without caution; careless
I would not outlaw recklessness, but that does not mean I approve of it.
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