French cartoon sparks protests

We need more cartoons. Many more. If these j**koffs go ballistic over a few caricatures, maybe they'll commit mass suicide if we inundate the media with it( btw, why are they looking at cartoons anyway? They're supposed to be praying when not working, right?).


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Originally posted by Niki2:
You'd think by now the Western world would have gotten the message. But no...

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And what message is that Niki?

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I think, generally speaking, that the people who protest and start yelling "death" in response to a cartoon actually don't even really understand their prophet's own sense of humour. Or have read some of the prophet's more vulgar moments from the quran. This isn't exactly the first time he's been depicted mooning people.

On the other hand, people who deliberately just rile Muslims up are basically the IRL equivalent of trolls, only their provocations tend to kill more people.

So I'm going to suggest maybe both sides are really dumb.

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Byte, absolutely right on. But then, most of them are probably TOLD what the Prophet believed, etc., they don't learn it for themselves.

Nobody: The message that dissing Mohammed is gonna bring about riots and the deaths of innocents. Why not just leave him alone and wait for them to (hopefully) grow up and get a sense of perspective? What exactly is gained by stuff like this French cartoon, except a bloated sense of importance by the guy who published it? It doesn't help anyone, it's not important enough to be worth all the death and destruction. Nobody in a western country is going to censor it, but anyone with half a brain would self-censor in the name of avoiding death and chaos to others.

That dumb film maker said he made the video (I still doubt there is an actual movie) "to stop Muslims from killing"...! That is sheer insanity. The French guy who put out the cartoons, in my opinion, did so for self-agrandizement; he'd done it before (and has the paper's offices bombed), so he knew what he was doing and what would result from it. What did he or anyone gain from it, exactly? These people take no responsibility for deliberately instigating violence.

For me it's not about fear of the Muslims who will act out, it's more than riling them up is just plain stupid. If there was a good reason to challenge their religious beliefs, that would be one thing. But these two examples are just plain idiotic, and people should know better by now. If it's IMPORTANT to challenge something, go for it...but for a stupid video and a couple of equally-stupid cartoons??? (Aside from which, neither example was even well done, they're both just poorly-produced trash, in my opinion.)

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The message that dissing Mohammed is gonna bring about riots and the deaths of innocents. Why not just leave him alone and wait for them to (hopefully) grow up and get a sense of perspective?

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Could it be that, some in France, and Europe in general, are sick and tired of having to kowtow to the whims of fanatical Muslims?

Who'd have thunk, the day where France leads the world in making fun of.... anyone.


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There's a difference between kowtowing versus having common sense and being a decent human being to other people. In another thread recently, someone posted a religious figure Hindu/Christian/Buddhist/Some Others cartoon porn. What the hell is even the point of anyone drawing that?

Obviously, some people will always be idiots and publish offensive trash and garbage, and they have the right to. But why should we find any of their work admirable? Because we don't like the group they happen to target? Then when that group goes apeshit, we should feel smugly superior and encourage a bunch of self-aggrandizing copy cats to spiral the targets further into losing their cool at us?

This is playground bullshit. It's like a mean girl makes enough snide comments at another girl, who flips out and pulls some of her hair, and then the mean girl gets her friends to join in.

Guess what? I just compared this situation to a fight between MENTALLY DEFICIENT TEENAGE GIRLS.

Fuck all this. Both sides can ACT LIKE ADULTS, these immature social REJECTS.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
The message that dissing Mohammed is gonna bring about riots and the deaths of innocents. Why not just leave him alone and wait for them to (hopefully) grow up and get a sense of perspective? What exactly is gained by stuff like this French cartoon, except a bloated sense of importance by the guy who published it? It doesn't help anyone, it's not important enough to be worth all the death and destruction. Nobody in a western country is going to censor it, but anyone with half a brain would self-censor in the name of avoiding death and chaos to others.

That dumb film maker said he made the video (I still doubt there is an actual movie) "to stop Muslims from killing"...! That is sheer insanity. The French guy who put out the cartoons, in my opinion, did so for self-agrandizement; he'd done it before (and has the paper's offices bombed), so he knew what he was doing and what would result from it. What did he or anyone gain from it, exactly? These people take no responsibility for deliberately instigating violence.

For me it's not about fear of the Muslims who will act out, it's more than riling them up is just plain stupid. If there was a good reason to challenge their religious beliefs, that would be one thing. But these two examples are just plain idiotic, and people should know better by now. If it's IMPORTANT to challenge something, go for it...but for a stupid video and a couple of equally-stupid cartoons??? (Aside from which, neither example was even well done, they're both just poorly-produced trash, in my opinion.)

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Um. Niki. How is this ANY different from telling young women to "not dress like whores" so as to avoid rape? Or it's just "plain stupid" for a young woman to go out at night? Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are always a "good reason" in and of themselves. We hold these truths to be self-evident...except o' course when we come up against a culture that will murder you for acting on 'em, then we slink away into our polite little hidie holes until they "grow up???" And to say neither was "well done" absolutely misses what purpose they serve. What about the outrage and offense quite rightfully felt by the cartoonist? What's the cartoonist supposed to do? Shut up until he can come up with a more elegant way to express his feelings? Because it would "save lives???"

Cartoons don't CAUSE deaths, Niki. They just don't. Wearing a dress never CAUSES rape. Radical fundamentalism is Totalitarian. Totalitarianism is the problem here, Niki, not bad art. The folks who kill over a cartoon are simply trying to further their Totalitarian agenda and there is no right way to tolerate that shit. Period.

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What's the cartoonist supposed to do? Shut up until he can come up with a more elegant way to express his feelings?

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Like we can ever expect anyone to develop more intelligence and maturity than they already have. I peaked at five years old myself. No, stuff like this is a fact of life. Cartoonists simply are going to draw naked Mohammeds and terrible movie directors with a history of fraud will overdub footage with Mohammed as a child molester, and together they'll laugh at the forced outrage, all the time, forever.

But I still think both sides are total morons with nothing better to do and pitifully bad communication skills, and I think both sides are making the situation worse.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
There's a difference between kowtowing versus having common sense and being a decent human being to other people. In another thread recently, someone posted a religious figure Hindu/Christian/Buddhist/Some Others cartoon porn. What the hell is even the point of anyone drawing that?

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You really didn't get the point of that? Its called contrast. That even the most offensive image possible, depicting 3 different faiths, no less - and not a single act of violence as a result.


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