French cartoon sparks protests
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UPDATED: Saturday, October 25, 2025 15:43
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Byte,
That's only 'cause you force the world into "two sides." There aren't two sides. There are never two sides. There's just people. And there's right and wrong. Some people will murder other people. And that's wrong. Period. There is no one on that side. That side is madness.
The source of violence and abuse is the abuser. Never the victim. Never. As soon as murder is on the table, the victim is in no position to make things worse. The victim in no way brought murder into the conversation. That's all on the killer. You're making the worst kind of false equivalence when you compare tasteless cartoonists and homocidal maniacs who kill over "blasphemy." You and the killers are both dehumanizing the cartoonist if you're gonna sit there and tell me these drawings are in any way the cause of riots and murder.
You call yourself an Anarchist and you condemn free speech in this way??? Tell me I'm misunderstanding you, please, 'cause so far as I can see you and Niki are way off the rails on this one.
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I more didn't understand why it was a point that needed to be made. Some of 'em react violent? Durrr yeah? Fuckin' obvious? And now we have a goddamn travesty on my eyes out there, thanks a lot artists, that was so completely worth you guys doing.
That image does not reflect well on the character of the artists or human kind in general. Rah. Way to go. Fake enthusiasm. They want to make total jackasses of themselves, hey, that's their deal, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna pat them on the back and call them pretty or like their art.
All of this is still the stupidest bunch a bullshit I've ever seen.
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There are never two sides. There's just people. And there's right and wrong. Some people will murder other people. And that's wrong. Period. There is no one on that side. That side is madness.
Takes two to tango. We kill them, they kill us, we make shitty content with little to no artistic value about their religious figures, they kill us, and on it goes.
Why should I be sympathetic towards anyone involved in this? Gimme a good damn reason.
The artists are victims? ahahahaha. Pretty brave of them hiding behind a desk in a first world country while other people get killed. What they are is trolls and money grubbing opportunists. Starve more asswipes, I wouldn't buy your garbage if you paid me.
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So, Byte comes down on the pro-censorship, kowtow to killers side.
I think that people should consider consequences betfore doing anything, yes. But there should never be any restriction on their right to make art, no matter what anyone think of it.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
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There are never two sides. There's just people. And there's right and wrong. Some people will murder other people. And that's wrong. Period. There is no one on that side. That side is madness.
Takes two to tango. We kill them, they kill us, we make shitty content with little to no artistic value about their religious figures, they kill us, and on it goes.
Why should I be sympathetic towards anyone involved in this? Gimme a good damn reason.
The artists are victims? ahahahaha. Starve more asswipes, I wouldn't buy your shit if you paid me.
" Huh" ? WE made what ?
Sorry, WE didn't make any damn thing. It was a handful of folks , making this vid, and even fewer ( one ? ) who cartoonishly dubbed in some coarse, pre-pubescent dialogue, from the best I can tell.
And I'm sorry, but in the past 11 years, the internet has been home to all manner of vulgar, anti Mohammed nonsense. Probably a lot worse than this. So ,why does THIS random, unknown 'film' spark all this ?
It doesn't. This crap about a video ? It's just an EXCUSE for them to riot and kill. It was never the REASON.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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So, Byte comes down on the pro-censorship, kowtow to killers side.
I think that people should consider consequences betfore doing anything, yes. But there should never be any restriction on their right to make art, no matter what anyone think of it.
Oh eat your hat. When did I ever say they shouldn't be allowed to make their stupid awful garbage?
Them being artists and free speech, and their art still sucks. They aren't victims. Trolls are trolls, and both sides are beyond ridiculous here.
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" Huh" ? WE made what ?
Sorry, WE didn't make any damn thing. It was a handful of folks , making this vid, and even fewer ( one ? ) who cartoonishly dubbed in some coarse, pre-pubescent dialogue, from the best I can tell.
Nonsense. I paid taxes for missiles that killed them. I voted in the last election. I'm absolutely responsible for all these deaths. And so are you and most of the other people here.
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" Huh" ? WE made what ?
Sorry, WE didn't make any damn thing. It was a handful of folks , making this vid, and even fewer ( one ? ) who cartoonishly dubbed in some coarse, pre-pubescent dialogue, from the best I can tell.
Nonsense. I paid taxes for missiles that killed them. I'm absolutely responsible for all these deaths. And so are you and most of the other people here.
Again-- HUH?
I was talking about the stupid video. Now you're shifting the subject, and talking about missiles ? Hell, it was missiles WE PAID FOR which liberated those MF'ers in the first place. REMEMBER ???
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Lol yeah, they seem very free. Free to kill or be killed by a dozen different factions while each tries for military takeover of the country. Whoopdedoo. We're awesome.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Nobody: The message that dissing Mohammed is gonna bring about riots and the deaths of innocents. Why not just leave him alone and wait for them to (hopefully) grow up and get a sense of perspective? What exactly is gained by stuff like this French cartoon, except a bloated sense of importance by the guy who published it? It doesn't help anyone, it's not important enough to be worth all the death and destruction. Nobody in a western country is going to censor it, but anyone with half a brain would self-censor in the name of avoiding death and chaos to others.
That dumb film maker said he made the video (I still doubt there is an actual movie) "to stop Muslims from killing"...! That is sheer insanity. The French guy who put out the cartoons, in my opinion, did so for self-agrandizement; he'd done it before (and has the paper's offices bombed), so he knew what he was doing and what would result from it. What did he or anyone gain from it, exactly? These people take no responsibility for deliberately instigating violence.
For me it's not about fear of the Muslims who will act out, it's more than riling them up is just plain stupid. If there was a good reason to challenge their religious beliefs, that would be one thing. But these two examples are just plain idiotic, and people should know better by now. If it's IMPORTANT to challenge something, go for it...but for a stupid video and a couple of equally-stupid cartoons??? (Aside from which, neither example was even well done, they're both just poorly-produced trash, in my opinion.)
I wonder how different the western world would be now if no one ever challenged christianity?
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