The High Price of Telling the Truth About Islam
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Monday, February 6, 2017 02:51
VIEWED: 11703
PAGE 3 of 8
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not "all religions" have the recent track record of violence as radical Islam, and on a global scale.
And to be honest, it's not even close. Sorry, but when I hear folks come back with the, " ALL RELIGIONS are like this, blah blah blah..." rant, I tune out. All I hear is the Left's unyielding desire to try to make EVERYONE , everything, 'equal', no matter what. Not only equality of outcomes, but also equality of blame, for any conflict. This is a major flaw in the thought process of how some think.
Yes, to some extent, they are, but only radical Islam , as it's being widely practiced today, teaches that non believers must be turned, taxed, or killed.
Also...
yes, I get that you tune out, because you constantly miss what is being said and misinterpret posts.
If you actually read my post, and saw that I agreed with signy re the funding of fundamentalist Islamic regimes and organisations, and if you have read any of my earlier posts on this topic, you might actually understand that I acknowledge and am concerned re the growth of fundamentalism in the Islamic world.
I dispute that by its nature Islam is any more violent than any other religion, there is nothing written in its texts that is worse in nature than anything written in the Bible. The issue is that the doctrine of most religions is based on ancient tribal laws which were harsh, punitive and as far as we are concerned today, backward in their attitudes towards women and gays etc. When religions tip towards fundamentalism, they focus on doctrine rather than spirituality, as far as I can see.
You will also notice that I did not condemn or condone the building of the mosque. My understanding of US laws is that freedom of speech means that you cannot prohibit people or organisations from conducting their business because others find what they say is abhorrent. Hence Westboro may continue to harrass mourners at funerals because of some odd connection they have made with war and homosexuality.
With this in mind, unless the Iman is found guilty of some sort of terrorism, then he and his followers should be allowed to worship their god, with their crazy beliefs like anyone else. Doesn't stop anyone from objecting or protesting about them.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"200 comments, most calling for IDF (Israel Defense Forces) soldiers to kill children. Congratulations, you’re a light unto the nations."
Ah yes, here is the link where an Israeli soldier chases a young boy watching a parade; soldier with murderous rage on his face and gun in hand ...
http://972mag.com/armed-border-officer-chases-10-year-old-palestinian-
boy-for-holding-flag/46412/
... the video ...
... the comments ...
Some of the comments are a bit funny, in a sad way – like the comment from Geffen Cnaani, a woman in her 20s who works for a medical care provider, who writes (my translation from the Hebrew):
Stinking leftists instead of saying thank you to the soldier who did e-x-a-c-t-l-y what he was supposed to do, you’re trying to change the story?! It’s simply a disgrace that willfully ignorant people live in our country… You should appreciate a soldier like that who acts bravely in the face of the cruelest enemy we have, may the names of all Arabs be wiped out!! And respect to the dedicated soldier..!
Yehuda Daniel, an ultra-Orthodox yeshiva student, writes (with a few spelling mistakes in the holy tongue):
In my opinion at every event there should be a group of people who break cameras. If you see a camera, break it at some point so that the leftists will stop bringing expensive cameras – and then they’ll photograph more general shots (because of the lack of technology) – every camera costs tens of thousands of shekels – I doubt that journalists will be happy if someone breaks their camera every time. :-) (Daniel’s idea received two thumbs up – LG).
Asaf Cohen, a 27 year-old who is studying to be a car mechanic, writes:
They should’ve broken his legs so he couldn’t walk anymore, and then they should’ve broken the legs of the leftists with cameras.
Raz Melamed, who seems to be in his 20s, writes:
I’m not a leftist, I also don’t agree with “burning leftists and Arabs,” but it’s funny that you curse the Arabs and say they should be killed while using [Arabic] words like ‘yalla,’ ‘kus umak,’ and ‘in’al.’
As of this writing, the last response belongs to Amitai Ben-Abba:
200 comments, most calling for IDF soldiers to kill children. Congratulations, you’re a light unto the nations.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
You will also notice that I did not condemn or condone the building of the mosque. My understanding of US laws is that freedom of speech means that you cannot prohibit people or organisations from conducting their business because others find what they say is abhorrent. Hence Westboro may continue to harrass mourners at funerals because of some odd connection they have made with war and homosexuality.
You have to understand, Magons, that Rappy only operates on a simple lizard's brain. He does not understand complex issues or complex emotions. For Rappy's brain, if you are not 100% against a mosque being built, you may as well be building it yourself. If you are not 100% against Islam in all its forms, you are forcing Sharia law on an unsuspecting public.
He shares this trait with many on the right. Heck, I've been accused on this very site of defending Obama's Attorney General just because I wouldn't agree to a hasty conviction without any need for a trial! At one point, it was implied that I should kill myself if I didn't agree with that assessment; all I suggested was that maybe the accusers should, y'know, possibly maybe perhaps think about preparing to someday show a little evidence, if they had any.
Nope. Can't have that. You're with us, or your against us, and there can be no other choice.
That is the false logic that rules the world of Rappy and his lizard-brained right-wingers.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
AU, the area of the south you were in is still real. Rednecks are self reliant were as the beach boys have to have things done for them.
My take on the Baptist. What I like about them is they are straight up. What I have read from them that there is no bridge to build with Islam. They are right. That was in Aug of 2001. Now 9/11 is still on. And ain't going away.
A Greek told me once where ever those minarets appear so does poverty. Just look at Cyprus. This religion is not tolerant because how they treat women. So they come to a tolerant country to use the laws against their host nation. We are 10 years from being like England. You get enough nut jobs then they want their religious laws as their court system. Just a matter of time. The South will the bastion of the Republic when civil war comes. The West Coast, Mass, and Chicago will be swallowed up by their naive ideals.
The future of the US might be the Jesus freaks saving the day with their guns and righteousness. Oh another thing Arabs are just as bigoted against blacks as everybody else.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'd say there were no bridges to build be the Baptists then. Hope ALL the extreme religious nut jobs rot in their respective hells.
Hey good news for us, the number of australians who indicated 'no religion' has substantially increased to 22% according the last census.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Yes, to some extent, they are, but only radical Islam , as it's being widely practiced today, teaches that non believers must be turned, taxed, or killed.
Thing is, it's not "only" Islam. You know this, yet as you say, you like to "tune out" whenever the truth is mentioned.
http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/8583/Salvos-apologise-for-put-ga
ys-to-death-quote.htm
Yes, it IS only Islam. When the hell have you heard any Mullah that he's 'sorry' for stoning a woman to death?
Seriously, talk about tuning out reality...
A lone, " local spokesperson " made these comments, and then quickly apologized. He was simply parroting what the New Testament translates as saying, and yes, blindly following along, as all good religious drones do. I get that. It's very bad. But spare me the ' same same' crap, as this is light years away from the institutional murder of women and gays that goes on in Islamic countries, TODAY.
This goes right back to my comment of how the Left plays the equivocation game, where some off hand comment by one person gets placed at the same level as the overt intolerance and murder of gays, women, and the 'non-believer'.
Truly unbelievable.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Human rights abuses happen all over the world, and are not restricted to any one religion or racial group
Article 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
On 27th of February 2002, in the Indian city of Godhra, Gujarat, a Muslim crowd attacked a train filled with Hindu activists, firing two cars, and killing 27 persons. The event triggered a violent spiral of religious revenge and four days later, 2,000 Muslims were killed, their houses, mosques and trades destroyed and hundreds of women raped and mutilated before the members of their families.
Later investigations revealed that the attacks had been planned and done with the mutual approval and collaboration of the local authorities.
Religious intolerance has been signaled in Afghanistan, Algeria, Brazil, Burundi, Colombia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Liberia, Nigeria, many countries of the Middle East, Congo, Russia, Uganda, China (see the Muslims of Xinjiang) and others.
Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Torture is a common practice in Brazil and the violence in prisons is common and with tragic consequences. At the end of May 2002, 20 convicted and a guardian died during a revolt in the prison of maximum security of Manaus. The imprisoned protested against the tortures and the subsequent killing of an inmate and against the overpopulation and the inhuman life conditions in the prison.
In January 2002, 27 prisoners were assassinated during a revolt in the prison of Oso Blanco (the Amazonian state of Rondonia). The victims were stabbed, shot, hung or tossed from the roof by inmates belonging to rival bands.
The more recent episodes of Abu Graib are too fresh in our minds...
These infringements have also been signaled in Angola, Argentina, US, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Iran, Peru, Congo, Dominican Republic, South Africa, Russia, Turkey, Tunisia, Vietnam and other countries.
Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude;
slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
For 18 years, LRA (Lord Resistance Army) guerrilla from northern Uganda has been kidnapping boys to train them as soldiers and girls to turn them in sexual slaves of the commanders. In 2002, the number of children found in the power of LRA was of 20,000.
Slavery has been also signaled in Albania, Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Myanmar, Brazil, Cambodia, Colombia, Georgia, Kirghistan, Sudan, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Turkey, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Vietnam and other countries.
Article 13.(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
After the fire cease between the government of Angola and UNITA in 2001, the number of people experiencing hunger reached 2 millions. 4.5 million people were refugees. The harassment and extortion amongst refugees is common, just like rapes.
This violation is also signaled in Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Cambodia, Colombia, ex-Yugoslavia, India, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, Congo, Uganda ...The Darfour case of Sudan is much too famous.
Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
15 journalists were killed and 68 experienced violent attacks in turbid circumstances for having denounced the corruption and abuses of the Russian Army in Chechnya. The special correspondent of "Novaia Gazeta" in the Caucasian republic was "invited" in 2002 to leave the country.
Infringement of the freedom of speech and media, and killed/attacked journalists have
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The only thing which is a struggle to comprehend is why you flood the issue with irrelevant and peripheral topics.
You're going full out of your way to not deal w/ the issue as is, and instead trying to drown out the discussion in a sea of noise.
Yeah, bad things abound on this planet. Lots of people suck. That's NOT the issue here.
And if you think blaming communists for the crimes they committed, or pointing out the true dangers of radical islam is making 'scapegoats' out of anyone, then your head is shoved so firmly into the dark, there's no point of trying to have a rational exchange w/ you, at all.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Has anyone here disputed, though, that radical Islam sucks? Because it does. Radical anything is bad.
There is no contradiction to this in asserting that not all of Islam is radical or militant. Or that other religions/ideologies, when radicalized, become dangerous and oppressive. Attacking Islam is not the answer, Attacking fanaticism is.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Has anyone here disputed, though, that radical Islam sucks? Because it does. Radical anything is bad.
There is no contradiction to this in asserting that not all of Islam is radical or militant. Or that other religions/ideologies, when radicalized, become dangerous and oppressive. Attacking Islam is not the answer, Attacking fanaticism is.
Radical Buddhists didn't fly any jet planes into sky scrapers.
Radical Baptists didn't kill 350 school children in Beslan, Russia.
Radical Jews didn't go on a shooting spree in Mumbai
Radical Scientiologists didn't blow up tourists in Bali.
Radical Wiccans didn't murder Theo Van Gogh
Radical Methodist didn't blow up 1500 year old statues of Buddha.
Radical Hindus didn't murder Olympic athletes in the '72 Summer games.
I could go on all day, but I doubt the message could be made any more clear. There is one and only one religion which follows the word " radical " in each and every one of those examples.
Either you get it, or you don't.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME