16% of US science teachers are creationists
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UPDATED: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 13:00
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six - did you read my post? There is nothing religious or belief-based about dark matter. It is a logical theory based on a very straight-forward observation of reality. The fact that it is incompletely understood does not make it a matter of faith. There is something out there exerting a gravitational force, but we can't see it because our "eyes" are limited right now. Not long ago we couldn't detect or understand electrons, but they still existed. They weren't god. They were still just electrons.
Such is dark matter. Someday we'll have better "eyesight" and we'll know what it actually is. It may require a shift in our fundamental understanding of things, but that's not bad. In fact, that's the whole beauty of science. We don't need to cling to any kind of doctrine, and we don't need some mythological robed figure to tell us what to think. We will figure out The Truth by continuing to observe reality with as unbiased a view as we can, and we'll be willing to let go of ideas that don't match our observations of reality.
No, I don't really expect you to understand. Your posts lately are so bitter and emotion based that I'd wager you and reality are not seeing much of each other these days. Kind of gets in the way of grokking the universe for what it is if you're wearing glasses that are mirrored on the inside. All you seem to be able to see is a reflection of your own bitterness.
Goodness, that's got to be a sad world to live in.
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Logical theory to me equates blind faith.....
One side strives to believe in one thing, and the other, well.... the other.....
What is reality Mal4P?????
For all we know, it could be upturned on us tomorrow.....
As I said before, I know plenty of things that I KNOW about that I'd be happy to help people with here. These are FACTS and I can vouch for them. Not only do I have an arsenal of How To Do things, but I can tell you a lot of How NOT To Do Things along the way.
In the mean time....
There's this meaningless BS going on.....
Even Einstein knew that his theories and ideas were only circumstantial... if His A+B=C theory today worked, there's no accounting for the unforeseen "D" swooping in and bastardizing the whole equation....
Good for him though, for making us all live under the constant threat of Nuclear skin cancer for the rest of humanities life. Glad he straightened that out for us. Thanks Einstein. Thanks Science.
I just hope that "D" swoops in someday and makes his reciepie for a bomb do nothing but grow flowers when it explodes.
And as for the rest, if there is a god, what makes you think I'd mindlessly bow to him?
I gave up the best job I ever had by picking too many battles and fighting for my friends and co-workers through two buy-outs. I was single and just saving money..... Most of the issues I couldn't care two shits about, but my "work family" was struggling with the changes. In the end, I was a "bad apple" and tossed aside. To this day, they still envy me for not NEEDING that job........
Job was only beholden to God when he actively made a point to Satan that somebody with nothing will be the most faithful......
I say, bring it.... oh, robed and bearded figure..... make an example of me!!!!!
When he tells me that the people I have known and loved for more waking hours than sleeping hours over the last 4 years will not be able to take care of themselves anymore, I'll then tell God to go fuck himself in the ass.
Of course that will never happen.....
But I took an "American Government" course back when I was 20 and it was all bullshit..... I paid my good money to get a course in how American Government worked, and all I got was a full-time advertisement for Democrat politics by a tenured teacher who made no small attempt to even hide how much he hated Republicans.....
Maybe that's my biggest reason for even posting here....
If that single teacher is the exception to the rule that I've been basing my ideas off of all other union teachers off of for the last 10 years, that's my bad..... I just don't believe it since 90% of the rich white elitists graduate with near zero college debt and go on to preach the government is good line....
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six - did you read my post? There is nothing religious or belief-based about dark matter. It is a logical theory based on a very straight-forward observation of reality. The fact that it is incompletely understood does not make it a matter of faith. There is something out there exerting a gravitational force, but we can't see it because our "eyes" are limited right now. Not long ago we couldn't detect or understand electrons, but they still existed. They weren't god. They were still just electrons.
Such is dark matter. Someday we'll have better "eyesight" and we'll know what it actually is. It may require a shift in our fundamental understanding of things, but that's not bad. In fact, that's the whole beauty of science. We don't need to cling to any kind of doctrine, and we don't need some mythological robed figure to tell us what to think. We will figure out The Truth by continuing to observe reality with as unbiased a view as we can, and we'll be willing to let go of ideas that don't match our observations of reality.
No, I don't really expect you to understand. Your posNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Golly, another rant about his job status, tied to some borderline batshit crazy notions.
Do you use a form for your posts these days, Jack?
You're welcome to equate logic with "blind faith" in your mind if you so choose. But don't be surprised when you're laughed at for not getting it by such a wide margin.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Hey, I got a question: If we start teaching creationism/intelligent design (after all, the Judeo-Christian theory), don't we have to start teaching OTHER religious theories of creation also?
I'm not sure what Buddhists, Confucians, or other current religions believe on the subject, but I do remember being taught, as literature, the Greek/Roman version, and the Norse. Whole lotta those ancient "primitive" religions had a grumpy old guy who lived on a mountain, threw lightning bolts, split himself in two, went to war with himself, created the Earth as an egg, watermellon or pumpkin, then hatched man out of it, created woman, had a big flood, established good and evil.
Don't they ALL deserve equal time, if we accept creationism as a valid theory? If not, why not? Just because the J/C's got the votes?
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Golly, another rant about his job status, tied to some borderline batshit crazy notions.
Do you use a form for your posts these days, Jack?
You're welcome to equate logic with "blind faith" in your mind if you so choose. But don't be surprised when you're laughed at for not getting it by such a wide margin.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Well, if he's not telling you about his awesome house or his credit score, really all he's got left to brag about are his trips to the glory hole, his great abs, and his giant pecs.
Hey, I may have just found that thing that Jack can't face about himself that forces him to get shitfaced drunk every night.
(That's not a homophobic comment, Jack; I accept you for who and what you are. I just wonder why you can't accept yourself.)
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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Don't they ALL deserve equal time
Hello,
I think so, just not in science class. Science class is about science.
The other stuff can be covered in philosophy, world history, sociology, or any number of other categories.
I actually used to really enjoy all the various religions we were exposed to in my history class, during the time we were studying the history of various cultures. (Religion is often an important key to understanding a civilization.)
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Golly, another rant about his job status, tied to some borderline batshit crazy notions.
Do you use a form for your posts these days, Jack?
You're welcome to equate logic with "blind faith" in your mind if you so choose. But don't be surprised when you're laughed at for not getting it by such a wide margin.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Well, if he's not telling you about his awesome house or his credit score, really all he's got left to brag about are his trips to the glory hole, his great abs, and his giant pecs.
Hey, I may have just found that thing that Jack can't face about himself that forces him to get shitfaced drunk every night.
(That's not a homophobic comment, Jack; I accept you for who and what you are. I just wonder why you can't accept yourself.)
Yep, I'm gay... you got me figured out Kwick. Man..... why didn't I think about that before!!!!!!
Thank you Kwick! Now I can finally quit drinking and with that saved money I can buy some leather assless chaps and with this new outlet for my oral fixation I can give up smoking altogether too!
If only it were that easy man...
I've got problems, that much is for sure but, sadly, barking up the tree of my sexuality isn't going to help me get to the bottom of them.
Any other theories?
And yes, my paid for house is awesome and my credit score is awesome.... but my pecs are no more than passable these days, and I'm sure that my six-pack is still somewhere under the 15lbs of beer fat.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Now I can finally quit drinking and with that saved money I can buy some leather assless chaps and with this new outlet for my oral fixation I can give up smoking altogether too!
All chaps are assless...that is all.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Now I can finally quit drinking and with that saved money I can buy some leather assless chaps and with this new outlet for my oral fixation I can give up smoking altogether too!
All chaps are assless...that is all.
Thanks Girlfriend! (And I won't even ask you how you know that Nick)
See Kwick!
Learning something new about this lifestyle everyday, Sister!
Maybe I can even kick my addiction to beef after I get my fill of this brand new world of protein intake?????
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Six: Reality is what we observe. What we REALLY observe, not the few strange little twisted trickles that manage to seep through that seriously self-focused filter you've got wrapped around your head. I mean, really? Yet another rant about your trials? Sorry, your troubles have no bearing on what defines science, and moves this conversation exactly no where. What is the point of trying to talk reality with you when all you see is "ME ME ME ME ME"?
Do you read your posts? I admit, I don't get through them anymore. I gave up after one of your Obama rants a few weeks ago that started with one half-assed misrepresented bit of news then spiraled into a bitter exposition of your deep hated. Basically, you were saying that Obama is bad because you hate him so much. (Probably, posts like that, and the above, are what happens when you're in your cups.)
NewOld: of course not all half-assed ideas of creation belong in science class. It does no good to compound a mistake by making lots more. I do see what you are getting at. Of course, the zealot religious people won't get it. One thing I've learned from RWED is that True Believers absolutely cannot apply logic in this way. They are so stuck in believing their God to be the Truth that they cannot draw parallels between themselves and other belief systems. They cannot draw a line with all belief systems on one side and observation-based science on the other. In their logic, it is only the Right (themselves) and the Wrong (everyone else). So to them only ID should be taught because only ID is the Truth. And all that evidence showing that ID is wrong? Well...
This reminds me of a long ago conversation on RWED about evolution, and I'm still bummed that a particular religious poster left in the middle of it. We got to the point where I asked how he explained all those fossils in museums around the world, like the fossils that show gradual changes as a species evolves. I still really want to know where he thinks those come from. Does he think that scientists sit in their basements, making bones out of paper mache? How else can he explain their existence, if he thinks evolution is completely false?
I don't understand how people live in this kind of denial. Perhaps they just don't let themselves think about it. Maybe that's part of why this poster left - he just couldn't let himself think about that question too deeply.
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