16% of US science teachers are creationists
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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Prove dark matter.
Hello,
To my knowledge, Dark matter is unproven by science. It was, last I heard, a hypothesis.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Prove dark matter.
It was, last I heard, a hypothesis.
Dark matter is a theory. That is, a scientific model based on observations of gravity in space. It is currently considered the prevailing theory, the one that best explains all the observations that have been made to date.
The evidence of dark matter lies in its gravity. As I previously discussed, gravity has several decades of testing and observation backing it up, and yes it always behaves that way. The observation of gravity interacting with matter in space gave rise to several models that might explain it, but dark matter won out in 2006 when images of galaxies colliding showed strong evidence that something invisible to our eye was exerting gravity on them. Alternate models had included gravity being stronger than predicted in certain contexts, which would explain certain observations, but these models could not explain the interaction of colliding galaxy clusters. From NASA:
In galaxy clusters, the normal matter, like the atoms that make up the stars, planets, and everything on Earth, is primarily in the form of hot gas and stars. The mass of the hot gas between the galaxies is far greater than the mass of the stars in all of the galaxies. This normal matter is bound in the cluster by the gravity of an even greater mass of dark matter. Without dark matter, which is invisible and can only be detected through its gravity, the fast-moving galaxies and the hot gas would quickly fly apart.
The hot gas in this collision was slowed by a drag force, similar to air resistance. In contrast, the dark matter was not slowed by the impact, because it does not interact directly with itself or the gas except through gravity. This produced the separation of the dark and normal matter seen in the data. If hot gas was the most massive component in the clusters, as proposed by alternative gravity theories, such a separation would not have been seen. Instead, dark matter is required.
This result also gives scientists more confidence that the Newtonian gravity familiar on Earth and in the solar system also works on the huge scales of galaxy clusters.
What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.
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So are you saying that dark matter was "discovered" to explain the currently un-explainable?
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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
So are you saying that dark matter was "discovered" to explain the currently un-explainable?
Hello,
To my knowledge it hasn't been discovered yet. But it would help to explain things that are confusing otherwise.
Everything science 'discovers' to use your word helps to explain things that are confusing otherwise.
'Un-explainable' is a loaded premise. Everything science has explained was once 'un-explainable' to someone. Until it wasn't. Like the properties of the computer you are using.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
To my knowledge it hasn't been discovered yet. But it would help to explain things that are confusing otherwise.
Pretty much spot-on. "Impossible" might be a better word than "confusing." The point of the quotes I posted was that the observed behavior would not be possible without the existence of matter we could not see.
Let me repeat that, because I'm sure that aspects of what I'm saying will be ignored or over-simplified: the observed behavior would not be possible without the existence of matter we could not see.
Similarly, the observed behavior of multiple generations of life would not be possible without mutation, variation, and natural selection; the theory of evolution.
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'Un-explainable' is a loaded premise. Everything science has explained was once 'un-explainable' to someone. Until it wasn't. Like the properties of the computer you are using.
Also spot-on.
What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.
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Hello,
Something I always find interesting about the science vs religion debate is this...
Science isn't trying to disprove God. It's just trying to describe the universe.
Religion frequently tries to disprove science.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't really give two shits about the scientific community's justifications about why what they believe and can never prove...
I will not join either of your cults.....
You don't care about evidence in the face of mythology, and Science is a cult. Ooooh kaaaay, crazy man. Whatever you say. Ill be backing away now...
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,
Something I always find interesting about the science vs religion debate is this...
Science isn't trying to disprove God. It's just trying to describe the universe.
Religion frequently tries to disprove science.
--Anthony
A good point, and a solid correlation to the notion that science changes with new evidence, whereas religion stands resolute in the face of it.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
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Even an educated guess is still a guess.
I am no creationist, far from it. But I do have an open mind.
It used to be a widely held scientific belief that the sun revolved around the earth. This was a hypothesis which fit the perceived evidence of the time.
I am not saying dark matter does not exist. But it is a hypothesis which best fits with the identifiable evidence which currently exists.
I think this is kind of what Jack was talking about earlier but I could be wrong.
I think he was right about the vehemence found on both sides though, IMHO.
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I do have an open mind.
Hello,
A necessary component of science.
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it is a hypothesis which best fits with the identifiable evidence which currently exists.
A good description of science in general.
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It used to be a widely held scientific belief that the sun revolved around the earth.
And a religious one, interestingly. But science marched on in the face of new evidence. It is the nature of the thing.
--Anthony
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Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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