16% of US science teachers are creationists

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

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It exists

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Hello,

Toil and trouble. ;-)

All of the available evidence suggests its existence.

I think there may be one or more competing theories, though? Not in wide acceptance. Quantum Gravity, I think? Not sure what it all means.

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Certainly, there are competing theories, some quite esoteric. What I'm trying to get at is that in principle it's not so complicated. It might simply be lots of dark planets like Jupiter, or burned out stars that don't emit enough light for us to detect them (MACHOs). Or it could be some crazy weird particles (WiMPS) or even some strange property of "empty" space. But I think what happens is the weird theories get talked up because they're weird, and then people who like to view science as a "belief system" point to the bizarreness as some indication that dark matter is a crazy fever dream with no evidence.

Not so. The evidence is quite straightforward. Something we can't see is exerting a gravitational force in the universe. We don't know what it is, so we call it dark matter.

I was just slightly involved in a MACHO research project, which is the extent of my practical knowledge of this. What I think would be cool though, is if the dark matter effect were some kind of property of space, and somehow related to Hubble's expansion. I can't explain how that would work, because I really have no idea, but it seems like it'd be cool. And somehow logical.

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Made me think of this:




Facts are stubborn things.

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Thank you BDN

I think we do in fact view this the same way....

Forgive me if I'm putting words in your own mouth, but given the context you put it in, I'd like to further explain where I'm coming from......


Religious people think.... "Wow... there's a lot in the world that can't be explained. Since there is a 2,000 year old book out there that explains it, and my parents believed in it, I will blindly have faith that whatever "bald spots" it covers are true just because".

Science people think... "Wow... as far as we've gotten today, there's a lot in the Universe that can't be explained. We have theories everywhere, but how do we make them cohesive and not fight against one another? Ahhhhhhhh! Dark Matter!!!!

The Ultimate placeholder!

The Ultimate Deus Ex Machina!"




May I submit that Sciences' "Dark Matter" IS Religions "God"......

Nothing more, and nothing less than a convenient "place holder" to explain away all that can't be explained until something better comes up.



Hell... I'm open enough minded to believe that Dark Matter and God both exist and that they're both the same "thing".....

Find any yahoo on either "side" willing to admit that is a possibility.






In the "North", They pondered the same questions about the "bald spots".......

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May I submit that Sciences' "Dark Matter" IS Religions "God"......

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Hello,

I don't think they are quite comperable, and I'll tell you why.

No amount of new evidence or information will cause God to be removed or replaced. It is in the nature of religions (those where God is featured) to make the questioning of God a Bad Thing.

However, new evidence and information can cause Dark Matter to be removed or replaced. It is in the nature of science to accept the questioning of assumptions.

Science is the process of seeking answers. There is often a hope that the answers found will help solve problems, though science itself is merely a process for understanding the universe.

Religion (at least those centering on a God) is the process of believing an answer that has already been given, and trusting in that answer to solve problems. There is no quest to understand the universe in religion, only a quest to follow the will of the creator. This will is usually outlined in an immutable document.

I think there is more room for growth and change in Science. It's Searching versus Believing, to my mind. I say this as someone who believes (religion) but refuses to stop searching (science.)

--Anthony





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