16% of US science teachers are creationists
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 13:00
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"More of a 'big tent' view, actually. No hypocrisy here. But keep on reachin', lil guy."
More of a clueless chasing after the most-right-wing-favorite-of-the-moment.
"And I got man parts."
You do? Is that why you keep running away from threads where you're wrong?
"So, implying that a straight man is gay... seems like quite an insult in your world, huh?"
No seriously, more like it’s the only way you'll ever have those 'man parts' you claim to have.
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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Had to say – PHOENIXROSE, best explanation I’ve seen in two eloquent and simply worded posts – beautifully done – I’m jealous as hell.
Why thank you
Trust me, I've worked hard to be able to explain things like this. I'm a science major, and my dad is always very interested in what I'm studying and/or talking about, but he is not a scientist, so I need to be able to break it down for him. I also have a close personal relationship with someone who commonly gives presentations on human anatomy, biology, and evolution, so I get a lot of knowledge from him as well as from my classes. Apparently there's always at least one person who wants to debate evolution with him, so after a decade he's gotten a lot of answers all neatly lined up, and he likes to share his stories.Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
I'm a bit at a loss as to what 6 thinks he's arguing here. No, the existence of God cannot be disproved. That's why creationism, etc, does not belong in the science classroom. It's not complicated.
Yeah, I'm always a bit flabbergasted by the "you can't disprove god" argument. That sort of statement is vacuous in science, and there's no context where it works. If I claimed there was some chemical in the brains of dolphins that controlled ocean currents and backed it up with, "Well, prove me wrong!" the scientific community would shake its collective head and laugh at me. If I told a group of astronomers to disprove the existence of Endor, they would blink and tell me to get the hell away from their expensive equipment. And if I tried to introduce those sorts of postulations into the science curriculum of a nation's schools, claiming they were theories, every teacher and administrator would personally slap me upside the head. For the life of me, I will never understand why things get so muddied up when it comes to religion.
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I have a theory as to why he's so different now
Heh...
What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Maybe you should spit 'em out, and not type with your mouth full, fatty.
Heard that one a lot in your day, huh?
Who was it who said, "So, implying that a straight man is gay... seems like quite an insult in your world, huh? Nothing could be worse than being gay, is that what you're saying ?"
Oh yeah - that would be you. So why did you just imply that I was gay? Is it because that's the worst insult you could come up with?
It's okay, Rappy, we all know how homophobic you are; you show it every time you prattle on about how marriage has "always" been one man-one woman...
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"More of a 'big tent' view, actually. No hypocrisy here. But keep on reachin', lil guy."
More of a clueless chasing after the most-right-wing-favorite-of-the-moment.
I'll take Palin over Biden 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. Hell, I'll take her 2-3 times, EVERY day !
And speaking of 'favorite-of-the-moments', it seems more and more is coming out about the Dem's former choice for the man who'd be king, John Edwards. Seems he had an array of mistresses, at the same time, while campaigning for President, and betraying his terminally ill wife.
Bravo, Dems. Real class act ya got there.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Kwickie - How is stating that marriage historically has been between a man and a woman in the least bit 'homophobic '? It's hating gays to tell the truth now ?
And you have some serious comprehension issues. I didn't imply you were gay. You implied it towards me. You're confused, and it shows.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Try basing all of science and medicine on your so-called "theory" of a 6000 year-old Earth, and see where that gets you, Jack.
Nobody but a true idiot could believe in any such "theory".
I didn't say that I believed in that. I think I've made it quite clear that I'm an Agnostic, and I actually base most of my beliefs on anything based off the fact that since I'm 50/50 about there even being a god that you're going to have to do a lot better than cite books written by people I've never met to convince me that many other things I don't have experience with are fact.
If you want to know about things I view as fact today, I'd be happy to tell you the best way to extend electrical fixtures, the best ways to restore cracked walls and ceilings and the best paint to use to finish the job. Although I haven't figured out exactly the best way of growing new grass over 1,600 sq ft of bare dirt, I can tell you what I would NEVER do again and what I would try the next time. I can tell you have a good chance of being able to fix your own furnace without shelling out more than 10 bucks if you know how NOT to blow yourself up while working on it. I could talk all day about a hundred different ways you could make your hard earned money work the best for you, and the FACT that the money you can save after you have made it and paid taxes on it is actually worth more than securing a raise that will bump you up into a higher tax bracket. I could teach you how you can navigate the housing market today and that even if it takes you almost a year to find it, as long as you're willing to put in the work, you can buy a house today that would have cost nearly 3 times back in 2005. I could tell you that if you do your due-diligence and build an UN-breakable case for your arguments that you can see a meaningful reduction in your property taxes without having to hire a lawyer.
These are tangible things. These are real life experiences, a majority of which I've only experienced for the first time in the last 2 years. These are the things I believe in. These are things that I can actually prove.
I don't really give two shits about the scientific community's justifications about why what they believe and can never prove is any more legitimate than what the religious community's justifications about their beliefs are. There's only 4 possible solutions to the whole Religion VS Science...
1) Science is right, and Religion is wrong.
2) Religion is right, and Science is wrong.
3) Neither of them are right.
4) Both of them are right at the same time.
And whatever gray areas exist in between...
My whole point is, any way that all pans out, and I doubt any one of us will know the answer to that until we're dead, it doesn't effect my life positively or negatively any way.
All I'm saying is that you Science Minded people are as annoying as the Jehova's Witnesses who keep knocking on my front door every Sunday at 1PM like clockwork.
No thanks.....
I will not join either of your cults.....
Far too many important things in life that I actually have control over to hand my "faith" over and worship at the shrine of either Religion or Science.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't really give two shits about the scientific community's justifications about why what they believe and can never prove...
This, right here, is where the whole thing falls down. What, exactly, does the scientific community "believe and can never prove"? Please give me specifics, because you are throwing out this accusation of belief without proof, when the entire purpose of science is to collect data and believe in things that are proven.
Since I've already given you examples of evolution that can be observed in the space of a week, and you have ignored that, I want to know what "proof" you think it is that biologists don't have for their model of how it works.
What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie - How is stating that marriage historically has been between a man and a woman in the least bit 'homophobic '? It's hating gays to tell the truth now ?
It's hating gays to deny them the same marriage rights based solely on their orientation and what your religion (wrongly) claims. Marriage simply HASN'T "historically" been between a man and a woman for the majority of history.
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And you have some serious comprehension issues. I didn't imply you were gay. You implied it towards me. You're confused, and it shows.
How did I imply it towards you? I implied that you never had any man parts, unless they were in your mouth. I've never implied that you were a man. When I implied that you had them in your mouth, your responded with "bet you've heard that before", which IS implying I'm gay, to the exact same degree I implied it about you. No more, no less.
The reading comprehension issues are, as always, all yours.
You can be as gay or straight as you want, and I'll still support your right to marry whomever you love, as long as you're all consenting adults (I still won't endorse your plan to get with 14 year-old cheerleaders, though).
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't really give two shits about the scientific community's justifications about why what they believe and can never prove...
This, right here, is where the whole thing falls down. What, exactly, does the scientific community "believe and can never prove"? Please give me specifics, because you are throwing out this accusation of belief without proof, when the entire purpose of science is to collect data and believe in things that are proven.
Since I've already given you examples of evolution that can be observed in the space of a week, and you have ignored that, I want to know what "proof" you think it is that biologists don't have for their model of how it works.
What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.
Jack has funny notions of what constitutes "facts", PR. Why, just yesterday he claimed it as an irrefutable "fact" that unemployment has NEVER been this bad.
Kinda hard to convince someone using facts when they don't even understand the meaning of the word "fact" in the first place.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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Prove dark matter.
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