16% of US science teachers are creationists
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Thanx, Deverse, I really appreciate that information. Is that list of countries in the order of highest educated in general? Would find that interesting, if it were.
I also get a giggle out of WHY creationism is taught in "your" country (which is?). That's the best purpose I've heard of yet for it to be taught!
As to what Dubya said, it has validity except in that creationism doesn't belong IN SCIENCE CLASS. Used the way you wrote, it's appropriate, but used as one of two scientific "choices", to me it's not. Maybe in a phylosophy clss? "Modern Thought"? Sociology? Anyway, some other class than science, because Creationism isn't Science.
Thanx for "throwing" your thoughts out, I sure appreciated them. Come back to the kitchen some time...if you can "handle the heat", that is! ;o) Intelligent voices are always appreciated (begged for, wished for, hoped for...)
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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Girls! Girls! You're both pretty. Can we stay on subject, here? Why don't you two start your own thread so you can argue? The rest of us will just check in from time to time to see how it's going.
She started it.
And I got man parts.
Maybe you should spit 'em out, and not type with your mouth full, fatty.
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Try basing all of science and medicine on your so-called "theory" of a 6000 year-old Earth, and see where that gets you, Jack.
Nobody but a true idiot could believe in any such "theory".
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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Maybe you should spit 'em out, and not type with your mouth full, fatty.
Hello,
I'm not sure sexual orientation or obesity are relevant to the topic, even tangentially.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Thanx, Deverse, I really appreciate that information. Is that list of countries in the order of highest educated in general? Would find that interesting, if it were
@NIKI2
The list I posted is just the top 10 “most educated” countries OECD lists and is supposed to be in order of most educated at the top to least educated to the bottom. I too am a bit surprised at the list order, but since I do not know what the specific criteria are being measured to make the determination of who is 1st, 2nd. 3rd, etc., I have to suspect the criteria is finger painting, naval gazing and flower arranging as Canada is #1 (I’m from Canada so.....).
I find it logical that creationism is a discussion topic in school and is probably not a “bad” thing as a means to differentiate between a theory and a belief, as common usage of the word “theory” tends to make one think of an unsupported explanation. I agree that creationism is not science and schools should be teaching science in a science class.
Where creationism fits in to a school subject, I’m not sure, but philosophy sounds like a good place as it fits with the concept of rational argument.
As for handling the heat.... ROFL – I’m a fire fighter. Got to be able to handle “heat” in all its forms in my job.
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Quote:Yeah, 6 was around before and was hot headed, but in a very different way. I have a theory as to why he's so different now, but I won't share.
Originally posted by Niki2:
Hi Mal4, missed-cha! Interesting to hear Six didn't used to be so angry/crazy...I think I only met him this time around.
Yay again PR, so well explained! It's a shame though, that it will go nowhere. Folks who operate under BELIEF rarely are capable of understanding what science really is. They don't seem to be able to grok the connection between evidence and theory.
I'm a bit at a loss as to what 6 thinks he's arguing here. No, the existence of God cannot be disproved. That's why creationism, etc, does not belong in the science classroom. It's not complicated. In fact, you'll find it in chapter 1 of any basic science textbook: if a hypothesis cannot be tested, it is not science. God is not science.
Evolution is science, because we see it all around us. It is reality. It is not a belief system.
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Deverse,
thank you very much for your input. You seem to have directly answered my question. I wasn't being snarky or conspiratorial in asking why those countries were chosen. ( Well, I was , actually, but I didn't really mean it. more of a Devil's Advocate stance.) And not that I'm accusing you of claiming that. I appreciate hearing the probable basis for the selection.
And the reasoning behind teaching creationism/intelligent design in your country is purely genius.
Thanx again.
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Maybe you should spit 'em out, and not type with your mouth full, fatty.
Hello,
I'm not sure sexual orientation or obesity are relevant to the topic, even tangentially.
--Anthony
You're right, of course; they aren't.
I'm just putting this on a level that Rappy will be able to understand at his grade level.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Deverse,
thank you very much for your input. You seem to have directly answered my question. I wasn't being snarky or conspiratorial in asking why those countries were chosen. ( Well, I was , actually, but I didn't really mean it. more of a Devil's Advocate stance.) And not that I'm accusing you of claiming that. I appreciate hearing the probable basis for the selection.
And the reasoning behind teaching creationism/intelligent design in your country is purely genius.
Thanx again.
No harm – no foul – and I didn’t take your post that way as I looked at the list and wondered why those countries and where the information came from as well. “Changing America” doesn’t specifically say, but OECD data makes sense. The CIA World Factbook or the UN’s Education Index didn’t make sense as they generally measure literacy rates of age groups rather than specifics in selected subject matter that are considered to be critical to overall development of a country. The latter being an OECD thing.
Again, I only think they are OECD data.
I was also wondering about those countries (Germany, France, China, India, and Russia) so I just searched and it seems while the 2012 OECD report does not appear to be on the web, the 2011 is still available and can be found here; (just be careful of the PDF under the “How to Obtain this Publication” as it is big and could take a while if you don’t have a really good internet connection)
www.oecd.org/edu/eag2011
or here for 2009 results
http://ourtimes.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/oecd-education-rankings/
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Maybe you should spit 'em out, and not type with your mouth full, fatty.
Heard that one a lot in your day, huh?
So, implying that a straight man is gay... seems like quite an insult in your world, huh? Nothing could be worse than being gay, is that what you're saying ? Seems so.
Homophobe. But leave it to Kwickie to drag the thread down several notches, and way off topic. Again.
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