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16% of US science teachers are creationists

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Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:38 PM

Another sign of these scary times:

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Despite a court-ordered ban on the teaching of creationism in US schools, about one in eight high-school biology teachers still teach it as valid science, a survey reveals. And, although almost all teachers also taught evolution, those with less training in science - and especially evolutionary biology - tend to devote less class time to Darwinian principles.

US courts have repeatedly decreed that creationism and intelligent design are religion, not science, and have no place in school science classrooms. But no matter what courts and school boards decree, it is up to teachers to put the curriculum into practice.

"Ultimately, they are the ones who carry it out," says Michael Berkman, a political scientist at Pennsylvania State University in University Park.

But what teachers actually teach about evolution and creationism in their classrooms is a bit of a grey area, so Berkman and his colleagues decided to conduct the first-ever national survey on the subject.

'Not shocking'
The researchers polled a random sample of nearly 2000 high-school science teachers across the US in 2007. Of the 939 who responded, 2% said they did not cover evolution at all, with the majority spending between 3 and 10 classroom hours on the subject.

However, a quarter of the teachers also reported spending at least some time teaching about creationism or intelligent design. Of these, 48% - about 12.5% of the total survey - said they taught it as a "valid, scientific alternative to Darwinian explanations for the origin of species".

Science teaching experts say they are not surprised to find such a large number of science teachers advocating creationism.

"It seems a bit high, but I am not shocked by it," says Linda Froschauer, past president of the National Science Teachers Association based in Arlington, Virginia. "We do know there's a problem out there, and this gives more credibility to the issue."

Better training
When Berkman's team asked about the teachers' personal beliefs, about the same number, 16% of the total, said they believed human beings had been created by God within the last 10,000 years.

Teachers who subscribed to these young-Earth creationist views, perhaps not surprisingly, spent 35% fewer hours teaching evolution than other teachers, the survey revealed.

The survey also showed that teachers who had taken more science courses themselves - and especially those who had taken a course in evolutionary biology - devoted more class time to evolution than teachers with weaker science backgrounds.

This may be because better-prepared teachers are more confident in dealing with students' questions about a sensitive subject, says Berkman, who notes that requiring all science teachers to take a course in evolutionary biology could have a big impact on the teaching of evolution in the schools. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13930-16-of-us-science-teachers-
are-creationists.html
educational systems are failing us and will keep us from competing with the rest of the world. As an indiction, tho' I'd have to purchase the full article, I came across the following listing of how American 12th grader taking upper-level science courses compare to other countries:
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In Physics: they scored 9th out of 13 countries
Chemistry: they scored 11th out of 13 countries
Geometry: they scored 13th out of 13 countries
Algebra: they scored 12th out of 13 countries
Calculus: they scored 13th out of 13 countries
Biology: they scored 13th out of 13 countries http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4449128?uid=3739560&uid=2&am
p;uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=56262697653

I'd have to buy the article to find out exactly what countries they were compared with, but it's not promising information any way you look at it.

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Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:55 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
In Physics: they scored 9th out of 13 countries
Chemistry: they scored 11th out of 13 countries
Geometry: they scored 13th out of 13 countries
Algebra: they scored 12th out of 13 countries
Calculus: they scored 13th out of 13 countries
Biology: they scored 13th out of 13 countries
I'd have to buy the article to find out exactly what countries they were compared with, but it's not promising information any way you look at it.


I was gonna ask that very question. Followed the link to the article, and there it was in one of the footnotes. The countries were:
Belgium, Canada, England, Finland, New Zealand, Scotland, Hong Kong, Hungary, Israel, Japan, Sweden, and Thailand.

An odd mix of our cultural predecessors, small countries, and Asian powerhouses. I DO WONDER exactly why those countries were chosen-- maybe the only ones with data available? maybe they were the only countries that scored better on any of the tests? Notably missing from the list-- Germany, France, China, India, and Russia. I don't think that including them would have does the USA any good, mind ya. I also consider, as personal opinion, that ALL of the Scandinavian countries have a track record of respecting Education; I'd have liked to have seen numbers for Denmark, Norway and Iceland.

At least we do rate superior to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, and North Korea, our recent and current enemies or opponents.

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Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:13 PM


I'd like to hear what 'creationists', specifically young earth types, have to say about the bio stratification of the fossil record.

Oh, that's right.. THEY CAN'T !

They may try some silly explanation involving Noah and the flood, but sadly for them, there IS no evidence which supports their views. It's not even a theory.




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Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:55 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'd like to hear what 'creationists', specifically young earth types, have to say about the bio stratification of the fossil record.

Oh, that's right.. THEY CAN'T !

They may try some silly explanation involving Noah and the flood, but sadly for them, there IS no evidence which supports their views. It's not even a theory.





Maybe you should ask Sarah Palin, since she's such a big hero of yours. It's really funny how many of those young Earth creationists you support. Just another example of your myriad hypocrisies.



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Monday, June 18, 2012 2:19 AM

Without reading any of that......

Assuming you're not a micro-biologist....

What makes any "theory" more important than the other?


I'm just asking because even though I refuse to dive headfirst in either the Evolution or Creationism pool, I also can't find any logical argument that they could both exist in a plain that wasn't exclusive of each other.



Actually, I find both sides to be quite obnoxious....

I'm glad I'm not going to school now.

Being taught either Evolution or Creationism as fact as a 12-18 year old would be the same as the Jahova's Witnesses bothering me every Sunday at 1:00PM sharp like clockwork on Sunday.

At least I don't have to open my door to them or be graded on it.


In the end, who really gives a flying F?

If dinosaurs of Evolution or dragons of WoW existed, that seems really cool.

If my ancestors were red-assed monkeys that threw shit at each other and fucked any female monkey not already pinned down.... cool...

If the world is only 6,000 years old today and the "bones" buried underneath were just tools of a god to see how we'd react to them..... cool....

In the end, it effects my life no different either way.

F Evolution,

F Religion,

F Government Education,

F The Vatican's (non taxed) Teachings



If you have faith, you have it. If you don't, you don't. I see no harm in children being taught both ways at the same time. Let them decide for themselves.



Since Science will NEVER prove or disprove "God", I think it's all the biggest red-herring and BullShit point out there when there are real issues to discuss.

F Religion, or the lack-thereof......

Invest your time into something worthwhile and stop talking about this bullshit.

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Monday, June 18, 2012 2:19 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Maybe you should ask Sarah Palin, since she's such a big hero of yours. It's really funny how many of those young Earth creationists you support. Just another example of your myriad hypocrisies.



More of a 'big tent' view, actually. No hypocrisy here. But keep on reachin', lil guy.


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Monday, June 18, 2012 3:36 AM

Remember how you said Carter raised taxes ? It's here: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52174

Care to discuss how you were really, really wrong on that?

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Monday, June 18, 2012 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Remember how you said Carter raised taxes ? It's here: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52174

Care to discuss how you were really, really wrong on that?



No, psycho, I don't remember saying that, because I never did. I said he TRIED high taxes. Which he did. And for that, I wasn't wrong.

Now, kindly go frack yourself.


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Monday, June 18, 2012 4:01 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What makes any "theory" more important than the other?



*sigh*

A theory is a scientific model, based upon solid evidence, and agreed to be generally correct by a community of researchers who are experts in the field. Theories can be expanded upon or updated, but many of them are very close to being scientific law (example: the Theory of Gravity has been updated to the Law of Gravity, because a metric shit-ton of empirical evidence has shown that, yes, gravity always works like that, and there are equations that describe the behavior of objects interacting with gravity accurately every time they are run. Equations can't really describe evolution, so it may never become a scientific law; but it's not far from one is the point I'm making.) What makes the theory of evolution/natural selection "more important" is that it is actually a theory. It has been observed, repeatedly, by several research groups, in the laboratory and the field. Bacteria go through several generations in the space of a week, and can be observed adapting and evolving by anyone with a petri dish and a microscope. The famed fruit flies are the same way, and you don't even need the petri dish or microscope.
Contrast "intelligent design," which is not a model based on testing or observation, has never been peer reviewed, in fact cannot be peer reviewed, is not agreed to be generally correct by experts in the field of biology, and basically does not fit the actual definition of the word theory. In scientific terms, it is a postulation, at best, and will never be more than that because testing and observation are not possible. Therefore, as the courts have ruled, it is not science and should not be taught in the context of science class.


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Monday, June 18, 2012 4:21 AM

Well done PR. If folks would take the time to read and understood what you just wrote, the world would be a much less batshit crazy place.

And I have to say to 6 - I haven't seen you around here in a long time (I've been out of it a while myself), but I don't recall you walking so close to the border of batshit crazy land as you're doing in these recent threads. What's up? How did you get so bitter and emotion driven -- nearly irrational, I'd say -- in the year or so since you last posted here? It's quite a change.

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