Obama allows martial law, as long as he gets a personal power
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He now has the ability to grant waivers that would transfer a suspect to civilian custody. That's like a presidential pardon, only you're still a prisoner.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/14/politics/congress-defense-bill/index.htm
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I think McCain panicked because he thought the bill, after all the talk, might not get enough votes to override a veto. Obama apparently agrees. Ah well. Welcome to the USSA. We have now officially explicitly created a police state.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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God. Fucking. Dammit.
Been nice knowin' y'all.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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This is what I've been saying for years.
Too many are willing to hand over their God-given rights... in order to feel safe.
Too many are willing to believe that those who desire (and GET) power... will take care of them.
Heres an idea. There are rights you have that are yours from the moment you are born. No one has the right to take them from you.
Stop supporting a person, party or system that wants to curb your natural rights.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Thing is, Wulf, you never said any of those things while Bush was in office. Not when the Patriot Act was passed, not when your government was torturing prisoners (without charges, of course) at Gitmo, nor at any other time. You didn't give a flying fuck or two shits about any of this as long as it was your boy in power. So stop pretending otherwise, because it's insulting to the intelligence of everyone here. You are, were, and will always be a right-wing useful idiot. You don't care what the government does just as long as your party is the one in power. Look back at the last election coverage for proof; all you could say was "Isn't it GLORIOUS?!" "The adults are back in charge!"
Look what your beloved Tea Party has delivered.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Let's not turn this into another partisan thing. This is just bad, real bad. It doesn't matter who is in charge, this has been building for a while. Now it's just badness, and we have to be united against the power, and not fighting amongst ourselves.
I want to hear ideas, and also, some analysis on is this really as bad as I think it is.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Oh, I'm pissed at all parties involved, trust me.
This couldn't have happened without support from all sides, tea partiers included. I held out some small hope that Obama would actually live up to his veto threat, but like Anthony, I doubted him. And now he'll sign the piece of shit bill they present him.
Oh, but it will only be used against "terrorists", of course. Or, y'know, those folks the government decides act and sound like terrorists.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Hello,
They won't necessarily use it right away. It is very much in the public consciousness right now, so using it at this moment would be ill advised.
If they do use it right now, it will be against a fiend that everyone can rally against. Someone that seems morally reprehensible to defend.
These sorts of laws are often used first against those people who are widely disliked.
It is on such groups that tyranny is perfected.
--Anthony
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Anthony:
Indeed. Chip by chip, they chisel away at the marble foundations of the Constitution, until nothing remains but a pile of rubble.
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Yes, you're right. They will come up with an even more absurd law, it'll say something like "they have the right to shoot suspects on sight, and then decide "not to use it" because they are "civilized" even though the people targeted are puppy eaters, and then they will "fall back" on this "old law."
And fortunately for us, Mike, they happen to define terrorist for us! As "people who are missing fingers, or have more than seven days of food in their house."
It only just realized that we can now torture americans by outsourcing them under military custody. Of course, if the US is part of the arena of war, for the duration of the war on terror, until, as Jon Stewart put it "until terror surrenders and agrees to no longer be a human emotion" ... of course this means that US citizens are enemy combatants.
I guess that moment when the govt. declared was on the people wasn't real far away, it was just around the corner.
I suspect we'll see, before we see this used, the introduction of a whole slew of new types of "terrorist" aside from the muslim extremists, as we don't have many of those to arrest. We can have, as I said "christian extremists" and we could also have "anti-semites" <- these would be people opposed to aid to Israel, or those that oppose the banks, or attend rallies of the tea party or of occupy. If you wear a shirt that says 99%, then you could be a terrorist... you are probably a terrorist... who cares... it's possible you are a terrorist and that's all we need to start cutting your fingers off in a secret prison, and once we've done that, you *are* a terrorist, according to our new definition.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Quote:Been nice knowin' you too.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
God. Fucking. Dammit.
Been nice knowin' y'all.
I don't know if it will do any good, but...
Get out. Get out if you can. It is "Nowhere in Africa" time.
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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm
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