Obama allows martial law, as long as he gets a personal power
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Pizmo, maybe you didn't notice all the references to the holocaust people posted, but you can't exactly fix Germany from inside a concentration camp.
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Hello,
Fret not, Pizmo. The vast majority of Americans have no ability to move, no prospects in other countries, no means to survive elsewhere.
There will be plenty of us here to fight, like cornered rats, because we have no other choice.
--Anthony
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At which point...
Some folk will be handing out more than torches and pitchforks.
Trust in this, if naught else; knowing how to use and service that stuff is more important than actually having it to hand at this point, if one plans to dodge being "on the list" - the bastards of this world ain't the only ones who can lay plans well in advance.
-F
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Pizmo, maybe you didn't notice all the references to the holocaust people posted, but you can't exactly fix Germany from inside a concentration camp.
Byte - I reject all references to "just like Nazi Germany" out of hand. We're not like the Germans - very different people. Not now or from that time. The Germans now are not even like those Germans from the past. That event changed everything - don't let your fear influence you too much!
Funny thing, I find it interesting that many people here talk about the MSM and the Gov being the ones who are constantly trying to keep the population afraid and exploit us through fear, nothing but gloom on the news, the Terror Alert chart and threats from others... but to me it seems like RWED does a much better job with Daily Tragedy threads, Hyperbole of the Day... zoiks.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
Fret not, Pizmo. The vast majority of Americans have no ability to move, no prospects in other countries, no means to survive elsewhere.
There will be plenty of us here to fight, like cornered rats, because we have no other choice.
Heh Anthony. I take little, I mean, great comfort in knowing that. I think.
It's not exactly the greatest rallying slogan ever, but "We Have No Choice!" "We Have No Choice!" "We Have No Choice!" is kind of catchy.
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Germans are human. Governments past and present are human. Humans can become corrupt. Power corrupts.
Explain to me how we're so different from the Germans if we have camps that we might send people if they are somehow a threat to our national security. Explain to me how we're so different from Germany if we'd punish people fleeing from horrible conditions in their own country, much like the Jewish immigration from Russia to Germany that sparked the Viennese antagonism that formed Hitler's point of view.
We interned Japanese Americans during WW2. Our image and history is not so squeaky clean as you might think.
I try to be polite about things but on this I think you are not being careful enough. The government using manufactured threats about Muslim terrorists and Mexican immigrants to create fear and support for iron fisted totalitarian practices is something to be denounced. Fear of that government and what ELSE it might do is NOT.
There is wisdom in assessing your own choices and comparing them to the mistakes of the past. Currently, I think our country is making some rather unforgivable mistakes.
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Quote:If you wish to, that is your prerogative.
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Byte - I reject all references to "just like Nazi Germany" out of hand.
But do you forbid others to see America "just like Nazi Germany" and forbid them to believe it and ridicule their leaving because they see similarities?
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Quote:It's all perspective right? Some see it as as a ship with some broken parts. We fix those parts, A'ok.
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I love it - when something is broken just leave it for others to fix.
Some people see it as the Titanic sinking. The country is so far gone there is no fixing. You can go into the lifeboats now, or you can fight for the lifeboats later. (Assuming no limits to lifeboats now.)
Sure, you can say we're crazy and deluded by fear of something that will never be. And I sure hope with all my heart that you're absolutely right. I would love so much to be wrong on this. If you're right, and I'm wrong, I've moved for nothing. I can come back and try to "fix" things.
If you're wrong, and I'm right, and I didn't move when I had the chance, I'd be in a concentration camp or dead. I can't come back. I can't help anyone else when I'm dead.
Those of us who have lived in totalitarian countries where people are routinely "disappeared," see all the signs that the USA is turning into one, and feel pretty confident that if that were the case, we would be one of the ones to "disappear," we want to not be there when it happens. Surely you can understand that and not blame us.
Or, blame us if you wish.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Germans are human. Governments past and present are human. Humans can become corrupt. Power corrupts.
Explain to me how we're so different from the Germans if we have camps that we might send people if they are somehow a threat to our national security. Explain to me how we're so different from Germany if we'd punish people fleeing from horrible conditions in their own country, much like the Jewish immigration from Russia to Germany that sparked the Viennese antagonism that formed Hitler's point of view.
We interned Japanese Americans during WW2. Our image and history is not so squeaky clean as you might think.
I try to be polite about things but on this I think you are not being careful enough. The government using manufactured threats about Muslim terrorists and Mexican immigrants to create fear and support for an iron fisted totalitarian government is something to be denounced. Fear of that government and what ELSE it might do is NOT.
There is wisdom in assessing your own choices and comparing them to the mistakes of the past. Currently, I think our country is making some rather unforgivable mistakes.
"I try to be polite about things but on this I think you are not being careful enough." Me too. Funny, I can hear US national security advisors saying the same - "we're not being careful enough..."
And I don't think our past is squeaky clean by any stretch. I also think, human and frail and full of faults (as we always will be), we do evolve, not near fast enough but it is incrementally better. Do a projection - pick a topic and fix this point in time and then go backwards, 50, 500, 1000 years same topic "sanitation", connect the 2 and see which way the line goes into the future. It's not always dramatic and not always straight but I think in most cases it's going in a positive direction.
At the same time I am a skeptic and cynical, so I do believe in vigilance. I just don't see it the way you do, not yet - if you surround yourself with darkness it's going to color your perceptions.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:If you wish to, that is your prerogative.
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Byte - I reject all references to "just like Nazi Germany" out of hand.
But do you forbid others to see America "just like Nazi Germany" and forbid them to believe it and ridicule their leaving because they see similarities?
I don't forbid anyone anything, I just disagree with such grandiose statements. Yes, I reserve the right to ridicule and shame quitters, and oddly enough even more so if I know them and respect them.
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