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George Lucas loses his mind

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:36 PM

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Well, at least Harrison Ford is optimistic about playing Indy again.

Oh, and Spielberg offering Ford the part of Dr. Alan Grant in the original Jurassic Park...?...
Why Harrison, why didn't you do it? Talk about an amazing "what if" scenario.

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:14 PM

Ford has become known for turning down good roles over the last couple decades. Most notoriously bailing on Traffic (the role ended up going to Michael Douglass).

He also turned down George Clooney's Oscar-winning role in Syriana, Kevin Costner's in JFK, Liam Neeson's In Schindler's List, Val Kilmer's in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Nick Nolte's in Cape Fear.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:16 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
[Ford] also turned down George Clooney's Oscar-winning role in Syriana, Kevin Costner's in JFK, Liam Neeson's In Schindler's List, Val Kilmer's in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Nick Nolte's in Cape Fear.

The verso is so: Neither of Ford's two most famous roles (Han Solo and Indiana Jones) were offered to him first. Tom Selleck was the first choice to play Indiana Jones and Christopher Walken was the first choice to play Han Solo. - www.imdb.com/name/nm0000148/bio

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by two:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
[Ford] also turned down George Clooney's Oscar-winning role in Syriana, Kevin Costner's in JFK, Liam Neeson's In Schindler's List, Val Kilmer's in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Nick Nolte's in Cape Fear.

The verso is so: Neither of Ford's two most famous roles (Han Solo and Indiana Jones) were offered to him first. Tom Selleck was the first choice to play Indiana Jones and Christopher Walken was the first choice to play Han Solo. - www.imdb.com/name/nm0000148/bio

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two



You're right, and a little wrong on those.

Walken did audition for Han, as did Kurt Russel, but neither was offered the role. Lucas cast by ensemble, not individually. And as he was having people come in, he used Ford as a stand-in when other actors couldn't be there (he was doing carpentry at the studio), so Ford read with more groups than anyone, and quickly became the favorite.

In the case of Indy, Spielberg wanted Ford from the beginning, but Lucas was resistant, having just done two movies with him. That's why Lucas pushed for Selleck.

Spielberg originally wanted Fo

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:31 PM


There's just so many unnecessary changes. I don't understand it.

When it happens, and I refuse to believe it won't, I hope he lets other people handle the film adaptation of Heir to the Empire.

That was the best thing to happen to the franchise since the 80s.

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:43 PM

Tvtropes ARE for screen writing.

It's generally not the hero who drives the plot, but the villain, and the hero tries to stop the villain. This is true in Indiana Jones as much as just about any other hero vs. villain set up you could think of. Which is why that was a tvtrope.

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Compare this to his being captured, dumped from a trunk, then being led around for the first act (and really, the entire film). He had no goal, he was a tool of others who had a goal.


Sorry, just don't see this as that much different from having to then having to recover the staff and staff head, then rescue Marion being captured, then escape from the snake pit, and then stop the Nazis from stealing the arc. Or much different from being played by a female Nazi double-agent spy for most of the movie.

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Did you even read the article, or just stop with the heading?


I read the section about heroes being the plot drivers and stopped because it's completely wrong.

Whoever wrote that article doesn't appear to have the slightest notion what they're talking about.

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Or is it done in a pace-stopping 10 minute scene of people talking in a tend - halfway through the movie - like Crystal Skull.



Maybe, but considering I don't even remember that part, because I was enjoying all the good action sequences around it, maybe it also wasn't that big of a deal-breaker.

Now you want a bad, boring exposition scene, go watch the Godzilla film with Matthew Broderick. This one I don't think really even compares.

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I think people are too eager to praise a bad movie that tickles their nostalgia bone.


Oh please, I took back the thing about "you don't like it because of the aliens," you can at least pay attention to what I've said in this thread to contradict that. Like about how I don't like the Star Wars Prequels.

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But it's all subjective.


Apparently so.

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:13 PM

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Sorry, just don't see this as that much different from having to then having to recover the staff and staff head, then rescue Marion being captured, then escape from the snake pit, and then stop the Nazis from stealing the arc. Or much different from being played by a female Nazi double-agent spy for most of the movie.


You've made that clear.

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Oh please, I took back the thing about "you don't like it because of the aliens," you can at least pay attention to what I've said in this thread to contradict that. Like about how I don't like the Star Wars Prequels.


Oh, it's okay for you to make a comment on those who don't like it - but out of line for me to do the same for those who do.

Gotcha.

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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:41 PM

No, I'm asking you to be consistent with what you've asked me to do, which was not to oversimplify or misinterpret your motivations. Fair is fair.

And don't turn this thread into a "Gotcha" thing, that's adding that same old element of "I'm right you're wrong" bit of nonsense into something which you just admitted was subjective.

I don't play that game.

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by Bup:
The real problem is someone needs to smack George Lucas' hand and say, "No!" This was finished decades ago. Move on.
My mother calls it shooting the artist when the painting is finished so they will leave the thing alone.



What everyone ignores is, if you dont like it, you DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT! You have the older editions you can watch, keep the fucking VCR working, and pop in the original VHS. Keep the DVD's, it's just a movie. It isn't like he's using "Old Jedi mind-tricks" to get you too buy it, *sigh*

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:56 PM

Yeah, no kidding.

How DARE he release the movies in a new format, without bowing to the demands of the overly-vocal minority.

Meanwhile - they sold like hotcakes. Instantly becoming the highest selling catalog (ie: not new release) Blu Rays ever, despite costing close to $100. Because most people don't get as bent out of shape as internet fanbois.

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