How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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*THAT'S* who he reminds me of...
A young Archie Bunker, only with even less redeeming qualities.
-F
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"*THAT'S* who he reminds me of...
A young Archie Bunker, only with even less redeeming qualities."
Thats... AWESOME!
lol
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Who didn't see that coming? Anyone?
Other teenage girls had posters of shirtless boys with moppy hair. I had posters of swords. I blame all the fantasy novels I used to read.
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Considering the amount of shit I usually have to take around here... thats as close to a compliment as I can expect.
So I'll take it.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Fair enough.
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Right on. But it’s not just here, it’s almost the entire internet. It’s a mentality that has come to be, so much so that it's become a joke. There was a line in West Wing that was hilarious, someone trying to be reasonable on the internet and getting shit back, and being told "You need to remember, a lot of those people haven't taken their medication" (paraphrasing).
This INTERNET is a place where extreme individuals seem to congregate. Sure there are those of us in the middle, but people here per capita are more extreme one way or the other than the general American public. If you picked 10 participants here and compared them to ten randomly chosen Americans you would find the randomly chosen folk to not be nearly as argumentative about politics as those here. So the whole of the US isn't as intense as this board.
For example, I’m not aggressive in real life, I’m downright peaceful, and never talk to people the way I write here. The difference is, here I put myself in the path of people who ARE extreme (or seem to be, from the way they write); they get nasty, I respond, they respond, and away we go.
I, too, am all in favor of taking action and helping people and animals, but wasn’t about that. It was about Wulf looking for a rationale for using a 30-clip magazine; he titled the thread something like “When a 30-clip magazine is NEEDED” (paraphrasing). That’s the crux of what he was trying to say, it wasn’t about people having the courage to help those in need, tho’ it morphed into that later in the thread. I can’t believe we’re going all the way back to that discussion, especially as it goes nowhere. What people are saying now is what we all said then, and it has no more impact on him than it did then.
Funny that the title of this looooong thread has turned out to be exactly how one DOES NOT win an argument...with anyone. It’s easier for me to see that Wulf doesn’t make his own arguments when he posts URLs rather than the actual videos. Example:
Someone remarks that they believe the government should be there to help brings this response from Wulf:
“A note on this statement:
VIDEO”
A remark that Wulf seems to equate people wanting the government to provide a safety net to the belief they wouldn’t step up and help: nothing BUT a video.
Wulf, if you can’t say it in your own words, most people here won’t even bother to hear you because we’re not going to take the time to watch your videos. The choice is to either take the time to write your own points, which people will take the time to read, or recognize that by putting up just videos, people won’t take the time to watch them and you end up having nothing to say. It also has no MEANING, like your post:
“VIDEO
This cracks me up, especially evertyime I read someone here going on and on and on and on about the environment....”
It doesn’t MEAN anything, do you get what I’m saying? It’s literally NOT the way to win any argument, because utilizing videos to such a large extent means your points really don’t exist. I guess if you just want to snark or you get a kick out of videos, it’s what you should do. But if you actually want to communicate, or “win” an argument, you’d be better off to SAY things than put up videos.Quote:
How about you try and have a discussion without using the terms 'hippie (sic) liberal socialist fascist'
I think though that part of why people don't always fancy you Wulf is your presentation of your ideas, the way they come out of you, not necessarily the sentiments behind them.
Sadly, Magons, that’s kind of like asking PN to stop using “Jew” in everything, not to mention all the other terms he loves so much. I wish Wulf would, because it makes him impossible to communicate with, and that’s frustrating and does not contribute to any discussion.
Gawd, Frem, you’re right. A young Archie Bunker. That is SO right on. With the exception that Archie Bunker wasn’t SUPPOSED to be
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Nicki, you are missing a few things here.
So let me be clear.
I don't hate some flower-freak, hippie that just wants to live their life and not bother anyone. Some patchuli mess, that just wants to grow their garden and make glass sculptures.
These folks usually want, and MEAN, live-and-let-live.
Them and I have no quarrel.
I have business with the militant, socialist, "change" crowd.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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I call bullshit.
And furthermore...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActivistFundamentalistAntic
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Some psychologists have argued that the reason why some cultists are behaving like that is that they are desperately trying to convince themselves of the righteousness of their cause.
Not that it works when reality intrudes on your little bubble, but consider well that I'd have nothing to say to you if you and yours *didn't* have the intention (whether or not you have the balls to admit it) of destroying all that is not like you - one way, or another.
And that in and of itself is indicative of a completely failed worldview, the idea that if there is any alternative at all, that if an alternative even exists, your worldview will not be accepted - a wholesale admission of it's failure.
Not only that, but worse, that you'd wanna drag all existence down to hell with you rather than accept that failure.
And thus a Jackboot is born.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Aww, Frem... poor thing.
Dude, I understand your pain. I really do. Anarchy, and the resulting... well... anarchy.. doesn't work.
Its the pipe dream of spoiled rich kids in their parents basement.
Oh yes. You've dealt with the products of a failed system. What you can't see is that the failed system is the one you support.
Yes, the children you've helped (and don't ever think that I don't see a pederast intention in your "help") are the failings of a society that has bought into the idea that a single parent household is best.
So, we have single parent families, living on welfare, while the rest of society is burdened with carrying them. Introduce drugs.
Ok for some, outlawed for others. The drug trade is born.
But, you also have gun-control... stop the killing. Then you CAN'T protect yourself/others without the governments permission.
And then PC... want to speak out against this bullshit? Can't. Not ok.
Want your kids to go to a school that will actually teach them? Nope. No vouchers. And forget about homeschooling. Even if you could find the time working two jobs... too weird.
One day, if things go right... the future generations will look at these times and be like... WTF?
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Oh and this.
I love the slant.
Let me break this down for those who refuse to watch it.
"Blacks should not be allowed to have guns. But since we can't say that... we should outlaw all guns."
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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