How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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I don't ever talk to people in the bathroom, mostly because my laptop batteries are wonked, but also because it's kinda weird and there's reverb over the phone.
But, sadly, I find myself getting used to this trend from other people.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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Um, Hitler died in 1945, Stalin died in 1953, Hugo Chavez was born in 1954 and didn't really do anything with his life until he joined the Venezuelan military in 1971, and no one would've paid any attention to Pol Pot until 1975, when he became leader of Cambodia.
I mean, the only two who could possibly have had any influence on people in the 60s would've been Hitler and Stalin.
Don't pester poor Wulfie with history. Facts make his brain all hurty.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, you never did answer my question: Why is it that you say Obama deserves NONE of the credit for killing Bin Laden?
Bringing this back because it seems like Wulfie doesn't want to answer this one.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
P.S. You pissants don't know anything about anime.
Oh, now *THAT* I take exception to, given that it's one of the few things besides rabble rousing that amuses me.
Fair warning though, what with all the ugliness I've dealt with in life and whatnot, I *do* happen to have a high tolerance for, and actually like, some of the most ridiculously cute stuff.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TastesLikeDiabetes
Anything on that bottom right shelf is so overwhelmingly adorable normal folk should have an airsick bag handy.
Of course, that's not the entirety of it, and I wish they'd get their thumbs out on the R1 release of season three of Black Lagoon.
(a series which you'd actually like, seriously.)
Not to mention I'm damn picky about it, and have no interest in franchise milking shovelware garbage, which leaves many supposedly popular series right on out.
Oh, and an obligator picture of the cat, cause she was there.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Magon's: I agree with you that a political category cannot encompass everything a person believes in, there are lots of gray areas and I think that as we get older we see those more, both in ourselves and in the world. Of course I'm not meaning that in a "anything goes" kind of way, I mean it in a having-a-wider-understanding-of-the-merrits-of-being moderate way. I think/hope that's what you meant too.
DMAANilil (your name is hard): This board is a place where extreme individuals seem to congregate. Sure there are those of us in the middle, but people here per capita are more extreme one way or the other than the general American public. If you picked 10 participants here and compared them to ten randomly chosen Americans you would find the randomly chosen folk to not be nearly as argumentative about politics as those here. So the whole of the US isn't as intense as this board.
Byte, yay for swords! I found your car vs. gun monologue entertaining/interesting.
I agree with Happy and DT about Wulf, I think his interest in saving a person in that situation is admirable. I like seeing people express a desire for heroism in the world. I think though that part of why people don't always fancy you Wulf is your presentation of your ideas, the way they come out of you, not necessarily the sentiments behind them.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Magon's: I agree with you that a political category cannot encompass everything a person believes in, there are lots of gray areas and I think that as we get older we see those more, both in ourselves and in the world. Of course I'm not meaning that in a "anything goes" kind of way, I mean it in a having-a-wider-understanding-of-the-merrits-of-being moderate way. I think/hope that's what you meant too.
I see myself as a moderate, and generally dislike extremists, but I guess my point was that Wulf sees people in black and white, no shades. It's hard to predict how people will behave based on their political leaning, bravery, integrity, honesty and a whole lot of other virtues cannot be predicted by the political spectrum, not are they characteristic of race or nationality or religion, they defy those sort of categories because they are qualities that belongs to an individual.
Regardless of whether you categorise someone as a hero or not, I think the quality of going to the assistance of other people and or animals who are being abused is a good quality, and I'd like to think that I possess it, not of course, in a gun wielding way either. I'd hate to think of myself or someone close to me being injured and there being people around who didn't intervene to prevent it, and I think on the whole I live somewhere where that wouldn't happen. I can think of many instances where people have stepped in to stop abuse, both in my own experience and through hearing about it in the media. None of those interventions have involved use of firearms, for the record.
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Well then, consider this.
Preventing it, also qualifies as stopping it, for if the abuse never happens in the first place....
Why else do what I do ?
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Just came across this from another site I visit...
"I'm a native San Franciscan, great great grandson of native San Franciscans and I think the most wonderful city west of New York is going crazy. I came of age in the 60's and was one of the free speech peace and love kids and I have remembered those values. But so many of my contemporaries have gone off into this misguided fascist progressive malarchy about building a better world from the top down, and they are at the top because they are so right because they are so progressively moral - more moral that is, and everyone else had better agree or risk being morally benighted. Oooohh! The world and the city were better places before the high hand of the moral fanatics held such sway. Somebody sneezes don't say "bless you", or you'll get sued or lectured if you're lucky. I still love the city. Its worth the earthquakes to live there. But this (now) old flower child is wondering how it went from do your own thing to do as we think you should. Its the same people, and now they are the fascists we used to denounce, but of course they can't see it."
Thats the kind of hippie-liberal you can have a worthwhile conversation with.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well then, consider this.
Preventing it, also qualifies as stopping it, for if the abuse never happens in the first place....
Why else do what I do ?
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
Totally get that and agree. That is why the heroism part doesn't sit well with me. Plenty of people dedicate their lives to such things and never get the same kudos as someone who stumbles onto a situation and acts and then gets the glory. The world needs both types of action like that.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Just came across this from another site I visit...
"I'm a native San Franciscan, great great grandson of native San Franciscans and I think the most wonderful city west of New York is going crazy. I came of age in the 60's and was one of the free speech peace and love kids and I have remembered those values. But so many of my contemporaries have gone off into this misguided fascist progressive malarchy about building a better world from the top down, and they are at the top because they are so right because they are so progressively moral - more moral that is, and everyone else had better agree or risk being morally benighted. Oooohh! The world and the city were better places before the high hand of the moral fanatics held such sway. Somebody sneezes don't say "bless you", or you'll get sued or lectured if you're lucky. I still love the city. Its worth the earthquakes to live there. But this (now) old flower child is wondering how it went from do your own thing to do as we think you should. Its the same people, and now they are the fascists we used to denounce, but of course they can't see it."
Thats the kind of hippie-liberal you can have a worthwhile conversation with.
How about you try and have a discussion without using the terms 'hippie (sic) liberal socialist fascist' and see if you can get your point across. I think you'll find it will go a long way in freeing up some of the clag in your mind.
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