How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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YAY Fireworks!
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Happy, you might be right.
But it does come down to a philosophy.
Is your life, and the people who count on you, worth more than the life of an innocent victim?
Also, I get the part about possibly making it worse. But, isn't it just as important, even if you failed, to have tried?
To the victim I mean. That at least someone TRIED to help, TRIED to stop it?
http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-on-foot/2011/01/man-attacked-by-kids-at-l
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http://www.suntimes.com/5807665-417/flash-mob-victim-it-just-happened-
too-quick.html
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
You have this notion of us (those of us to the left of you on the political spectrum, I mean), that because we believe governments should try to help people, that we automatically abdicate any sense that WE should try to help people also.
I'm not sure where you get that, I'm really not.
I've pulled people from wrecks, I've rushed into a house to help an elderly man who had fallen and was wedged between his bed and the wall, and couldn't breathe (I was riding my bike, and someone ran outside and yelled for help, so I jumped off to see what was the matter. That was more than 20 years ago, and I've never mentioned it to a single human being until now. Not even my wife knows about it, and I left no name, because I am *NOT* any kind of "hero", and refuse to be called such for doing what any human being SHOULD do), I've been shot at, I've held people's hands while they died.
OF COURSE people should try to help, in any way they feel they can - and sometimes probably in ways they are sure they can't. Point is, I want my government to also be there to help, if nothing else, as a safety net for when there ISN'T anyone else.
You claim to be all about being a hero, but if it came down to it, you'd happily let people die if they were poor, elderly, alone, or just didn't subscribe to your beliefs.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"We also have this pesky habit of relying on facts, rther than basing our worldview on a vision of how things "should be", established in the 1950's."
This statement is typical... and sad.
No Story, you don't base your worldview on the 1950s... thats true.
You base it on dingbats from the 1960s, who based THEIR views on Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler and Chavez.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
Really? Are you actually that ignorant?
WHO was basing their worldview on those folks in the 60s? WHO are these "dingbats" you refer to? Hippies? Not likely - they weren't big on Hitler or Stalin, and as Byte pointed out, wouldn't have even heard of Pol Pot or Hugo Chavez. And the hippies weren't big on Pol Pot later when he came to power in Cambodia, either. Liberals didn't fare well under the Khmer Rouge. It was really YOUR kind of place. Well, yours and Sarah Palin's.
Maybe she can call hers the Khmer Rogue. ;)
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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"Point is, I want my government to also be there to help, if nothing else, as a safety net for when there ISN'T anyone else."
A note on this statement:
"You have this notion of us (those of us to the left of you on the political spectrum, I mean), that because we believe governments should try to help people, that we automatically abdicate any sense that WE should try to help people also.
I'm not sure where you get that, I'm really not."
Every single time one of you guys say "Let the police handle it." "Its not my job". "its not my problem".
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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This cracks me up... especially evertyime I read someone here going on and on and on and on about the environment....
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Every single time one of you guys say "Let the police handle it." "Its not my job". "its not my problem".
Any quotes to back that up, my delusional friend?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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I like the mortar shells with the spreading crackle pop after effect. Especially the silver ones, they look like spiders, or maybe lightning.
I think we should put on a firework show in this very thread, and splash the black background of the forum posts with luminous colour. Onomatopoeia may also be used to fill in the background narrative.
Also: Brownies!
They look unimpressed. I don't think I'm going to take that kind of attitude from them!
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"Any quotes to back that up, my delusional friend?"
Hey, maybe its just me. Probably it IS just me. But after having lived on the East Coast for so long (thats the right coast, or the 2nd landing spot of most libs) I've heard those phrases uttered quite a bit.
Sometimes by the libs, sometimes by those who are self-involved, selfish, scared ass-clowns...
But I repeat myself.
Yet, I hear the phrase "It takes a village to raise a child" quite a bit as well. Which, just goes to show that dichotmy is NOT just a word libs misspell.
In the end, the truth of things is this.
Libs wish for government to save them, rule them, control them, help them, provide for them. Mostly like the fathers they have missed all their lives. (Which, because of their social engineering, are missing... but I digress.)
Conservatives wish for government to rule, and control... and things will be great. So long as you believe EXACTLY as THEY want. 2 (opposite-sex)parent households, a Bible in one hand, a gun in the other, and the freedom to put that ideal on everyone else.
I choose a different path. But, conservatives, are closer to the correct path so I tend to give them more of a pass.
But both (liberal and conservative) are still wrong. Neither has it completely right.
Thus, the Tea Party.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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