How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...

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KPO

Monday, June 6, 2011 8:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Niki, please explain how using a car on a crowd is less dangerous than using a gun.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

I don't think it was about the car being 'less dangerous' in this instance, if I remember right; it was about there being alternatives to a gun with a 30 round clip.

It's not personal. It's just war.

WULFENSTAR

Monday, June 6, 2011 8:39 PM

Its called a magazine you...

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

KPO

Monday, June 6, 2011 8:40 PM

It's not personal. It's just war.

WULFENSTAR

Monday, June 6, 2011 8:53 PM

Cost of a car, plus insurance, plus gas...

2000+

Cost of a Glock, plus bullets, plus 30 rd MAG...

500+

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 6, 2011 9:22 PM

It probably depends on what's most convenient at the moment, the terrain, and what you have at the time.

For example, If the gun isn't on you for whatever reason, you would undoubtedly be keeping this gun of yours in the truck of your car for just such an emergency, or the backseat.

If you have to go to your car anyway to get a gun, maybe you're better off just using the car. Or maybe you're driving in the car when you witness the thugs cornering their prospective victim. It would be slower to stop the car and get out the gun than to charge the gang in your car. Maybe there's a circumstance where you have concerns that you might be noticed and killed before you stop the gang, and the car would be advantageous for a surprise hit-and-run tactic.

The two places I can think of where the gun would be more useful than the car is if the area where the crime is occurring is too narrow to permit the passage of the car, or if there are enough people involved that you can't be sure to get them all with the first sweep of your car, which would set you up for maybe having your tires shot out, or having to go back into the horde without the element of surprise, or maybe give the attackers a chance to finish their dirty deeds and whatnot.

Of course, both together under the right circumstances could also be effective.

KWICKO

Monday, June 6, 2011 11:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
A long time ago, I posted a story about a group of ...people... raping a young girl for hours, as a crowd looked on.

The responses I got from the left-minded people here were.... maddening, horrible, (whats a word for people who make you wish you were an alien that could swoop down and throw all of the people who thought like they did into the sun?)

Kinda sounds like maybe you wanted to rape them all for hours. After all, throwing them all into the sun isn't a whole bunch better for them, is it?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KWICKO

Monday, June 6, 2011 11:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Niki, please explain how using a car on a crowd is less dangerous than using a gun.

Maybe when we start having a rash of mass-murder-by-car crimes going on, we can look at that as a real issue.

Hey, maybe then you'll start crying "If only there'd been one more car there, this could have all been prevented!"

Seriously, you post some of the stupidest shit this world has ever seen.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, June 6, 2011 11:32 PM

Niki, actually all I really wanted to do was encourage him to reveal his true colors once again by sticking a pin in his frail, pathetic ego - and sure enough he hops on command like a good little puppet.
As I am fond of pointing out, once you know all the right little phrases and buzzwords they've programmed themselves to jump to, you can make em dance for YOU, any time you like and they don't even realize it.
S'what happens when you give up control of your own will and intellect to an outside source without question, anyone who knows how to format the commands owns your ass.

You listenin, Wulfie ?
Maybe you should see to that.

Anyhows, yeah, he's fulla shit, the actual thread is here, if anyone is willing to dredge through his racist, whiny bullshit to bother reading it.
http://168.215.229.9/mthread.asp?b=18&t=40622

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Niki, please explain how using a car on a crowd is less dangerous than using a gun.

Less dangerous to YOU, not them - in fact lemme find the post in question for you.

What I ACTUALLY said was thus.

Quote:
Wulf, while I don't believe all of it is justified, some of the folk who're giving you shit have a point in that your tactics do somewhat suck.

I've actually taken something of a pounding trying to break up what appeared to be an assault headed in the direction of rape, but was in fact a marital spat over infidelity - which got me roughed up by the both of em, mind you - it was stupid to intervene but I was young, proud and foolish - and I'd prolly do so again, but not charging in willy-nilly like that, oh hell no.

First, hell yes, call the cops - for all their flaws they're better armed and equipped, and have more manpower than you do.

Second, direct engagement is counterproductive when you are that badly outnumbered - being able to play on crowd pyschology is a skill you do not have and thus makes it a losing proposition and adds one more target - armed or not you can be quickly overwhelmed by folks too hopped up on mindbending substances or just wired on adrenalin rush who will not react in a logical fashion.

That doesn't mean you cannot intervene, it just means you need different tactics - as mentioned, the last thing you wanna be when the cops show up is in a position to be mistaken for an armed perp, that's bad bad news.

I woulda went and got my car, then while laying solid on the horn and highbeams, slowly rolled it towards them - an action with some risk involved, but also with a fast line of retreat, since if they deployed firearms or charged the vehicle you can slam it into reverse and make a J-turn, and if they DID pursue it splits them up and throws them off what they're doing - they're not likely to catch a car on foot, and as a calculated risk it's better than a headfirst engagement against superior numbers.

Also, one could run back into the school and pull the fire alarm, the more ruckus and racket you can throw at them, cast them into confusion while keeping a clear head yourself - that opens OPTIONS, it gives you that third line of thinking and enough of an edge to maybe be useful in a situation instead of escalating it.

Again, armed or not, the best weapon in a crisis is the one between your ears, not the one in your holster - that is for the last ditch defense of your person at short range and should never be used in an aggressive fashion whatever.

Flinging bullets willy-nilly into a "situation" isn't as a general rule, a very good idea - and in THAT one, chances of hitting a bystander would likely have made it a dead-letter issue to anyone with an ounce of sense.
Which of course leaves Wulfie out, who once again has proven beyond all doubt he's incapable of even comprehending any response that doesn't jibe with his little plastic bubble worldview.
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/violence_geeks.htm
Marc MacYoung sums it up perfectly, there.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

NIKI2

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:30 AM

Hardware: I can't remember precisely the wording of the discussion. The idea was some number of guys, over ten I think, were raping her, and Wulf wanted to go in blazing with a gun. If any of those guys had a gun...like more than one of them...what do you think would happen? A shoot-out, which might injure quite a few people. Someone suggested driving your car up to the guys, which would startle them and make them jump back, while not threatening them individually and keeping oneself safe to boot. One could always reverse if anyone showed a weapon. There were numerous suggestions made by different people, and everyone agreed SOMETHING should be done. There was just no agreement that Wulf's usual method, dreaming of coming in, gun a-blazing and becoming the kind of hero he's constantly putting up in videos, was the best idea. I'm not as good as Mike at going back and finding old threads, but I KNOW that the responses weren't “horrible” and were only “maddening” to Wulf because most of us didn’t agree with him. Like Raptor, I’m realizing they don’t READ what is actually written, then they carry what they think they read for the rest of their days, convinced that was real.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:33 AM

Damn, I hate not being able to edit. I wanted to add that with the car blinking its headlights and honking like crazy; people comitting crimes don't usually like a lot of attention being brought to what they're doing. Another person also suggested using one's cell phone to call the police. It was a long discussion. The point is, it wasn't what Wulf now chooses to characterize it as being (or remembers it to have been, not sure which).

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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