How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...

POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:48 PM

Wulf isn't single, which is part of the reason he really ought to take more care. Leaving behind loved ones or dependents is one of the worst things I can imagine. Cut your ties well in advance of doing anything like this, I say.

But then, if Wulf is a jackal, I'm a boar, so I guess I would be the kind to say that. If I'm lucky, I'll end up being a porcupine.

KPO

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:56 PM

Wulf is still searching for that real-life situation where a gun with 30 rounds is necessary and life-saving. There are plenty of unlikely, hypothetical situations - they happen all the time in movies, and that's probably what Wulf has in his mind every time he straps on his gun.

Meanwhile, no real-life cases where this kind of firepower is called for - but numerous real life cases where they have been used to deadly effect in shooting sprees.

It's not personal. It's just war.

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 2:57 PM

Happy, you might be right.

But it does come down to a philosophy.

Is your life, and the people who count on you, worth more than the life of an innocent victim?

Also, I get the part about possibly making it worse. But, isn't it just as important, even if you failed, to have tried?

To the victim I mean. That at least someone TRIED to help, TRIED to stop it?

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-on-foot/2011/01/man-attacked-by-kids-at-l
-enfant-metro----bystanders-watch-film-6880.html

http://www.suntimes.com/5807665-417/flash-mob-victim-it-just-happened-
too-quick.html

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 3:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Btw... heh. I know its a little juvenile... but I think I know WHY there are so many angry liberal women here...

Um...er...or you could see that video as an indication that conservatives will only pay attention to a woman if she's conventionally good looking? I promise you: there are a lot of conservative women who don't have a voice and you will never hear of because they don't have the right look. I mean "conservative" does refer to a person's values and endorsing archaic notions of femininity to the point of requiring your famous women to be "hot" kinda makes one conservative, don'it? Or as you put it, juvenile. Just sayin'.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 3:06 PM

Quote:
Is your life, and the people who count on you, worth more than the life of an innocent victim?

Also, I get the part about possibly making it worse. But, isn't it just as important, even if you failed, to have tried?

Both valid points, but that's why you try to remove the bystander parts of the equation. You make sure you don't have people who like you or rely on you. Then it isn't even an issue.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 3:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
So Kwick...

"I didn't bother watching any of those..."

Your whole argument is: "I refuse to, at the very least, even HEAR your argument. So I'm going to just post MY views."

Thats awesome man. Really. I mean damn, wow, and other words of thanks!

If it were anyone else but you, Wulftard, I'd be surprised that someone was dumb enough to think they had made an argument without actually forming a sentence.

But it IS you, so surprise is unwarranted.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 3:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:

It's not easy to 'win' against a liberal/pregressive/socialists-etc because they (much like anyone else with politics) have last-word-itus.

We also have this pesky habit of relying on facts, rther than basing our worldview on a vision of how things "should be", established in the 1950's.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:04 PM

"We also have this pesky habit of relying on facts, rther than basing our worldview on a vision of how things "should be", established in the 1950's."

This statement is typical... and sad.

No Story, you don't base your worldview on the 1950s... thats true.

You base it on dingbats from the 1960s, who based THEIR views on Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler and Chavez.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:17 PM

...?

Um, Hitler died in 1945, Stalin died in 1953, Hugo Chavez was born in 1954 and didn't really do anything with his life until he joined the Venezuelan military in 1971, and no one would've paid any attention to Pol Pot until 1975, when he became leader of Cambodia.

I mean, the only two who could possibly have had any influence on people in the 60s would've been Hitler and Stalin.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle7vljslfu
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommieNazis

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:38 PM

That said, I think it's time for FIREWORKS!

Some brewskies, maybe even some barbeque, and a couple pounds of explosives laced with incendiary spectrochemical powders.

In Utah, they made it so we could set off fireworks through June and July. Fortunately, it has been a wet season. Also, they're selling roman candles, but you have to ask for the good stuff, the old bylaws make it so they can't display them for purchase.

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