How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:23
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This whole thread is kind of pointless IMO, but that's just me. I'm not putting a lot of thought into, just snarking (thought that was obvious). There are plenty not me who seem to be enjoying it and I'm not advocating they stop.
I often feel like I am the only one not allowed to snark. Of course that's an exaggeration and probably just looks bigger from my perspective, but sometimes I don't know whether to be flattered that I'm thought to be above petty amusements or to wonder why many are so much more critical of non-liberals. Probably just 'cause there is more liberals in Internet land. And at this point I am really just thinking out loud... but whatever. I hope isn't too disappointing.
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I didn't realize you were snarking, Happy. That makes more sense, and fits with the picture I have of you. It's hard to tell sometimes...what you wrote could so easily have been Wulf replying to Raptor or vice versa, from the wording.
You are CERTAINLY allowed to snark, dear, everyone is and most people DO. A number of our non-snarkers, i.e., the polite, have for the most part disappeared, and you are normally so up-front and non-snarking that it's easy for me to miss it when you do. That good old bugaboo of the internet: no vocal inflection, facial expression or body movements to read to put things in context. I'm sorry you got the feeling you're snarking is frowned on, it certainly isn't and I'd far rather read the way you do it than some of the snarking that goes on here!
As to more liberals in internet land, I'm wondering if you get that feeling from being here. Here, recently at least (it wasn't that way when I arrived), there are more moderates, liberals and others than die-hard conservatives, and of those conservatives, a number of them tend to be rather, shall we say, "flamboyant". That triggers others into responding more, and more virulently, than they otherwise might. I've about given up hoping for many reasonable, intelligent conservative voices to appear here. That might explain why it seems to you that "many are so much more critical of non-liberals". I have seen FAR more nasty "criticism" (to use the term loosely) of liberals here than of conservatives, but a lot of those voices seem to have disappeared.
I looked around and found this comment on a website:Quote:
That’s just one person’s observation, of course, which is the opposite of what you believe.
I noticed that when there's a political article on the internet or something on Yahoo answers asking about Obama that there are far more comments against him. Also in political issues, conservatives on posts seem to outnumber others and give more thumbs up for example.
Assume that neither side is the "correct" one for a moment. I have taken Statistics, and the President's general support is still around 50%, but the internet numbers are stacked against him like 70-20-10( nonsensical).
What's going on? Do conservatives have more internet connectivity and time to post? Where is the other side?
I'm just wondering why there is a disparity in numbers.
I did find this:Quote:
In studying Usenet political groups, Davis looked at the political ideology of the groups that posters subscribed to, and found “the vast majority belonged to groups on the ideological right. This was true across all groups analyzed… which suggests Usenet posters likely are more right-wing ideologically than the general public” (Davis 1999: 155-6).
Alterman makes the following claim: “While the Internet has enormous value for more reasons and purposes than can be profitably counted… for political purposes it turns out to have a great deal in common with radio. Not unlike the way in which the irresponsible right-wing talk-show network forms its own self-referential information circuit, ‘news’ on the Net is passed along from one site to another with little concern for credibility. Also like radio, this tactic of combining the verifiable with a metaphorical microphone has been perfected by the far right to create a doubly deceitful dynamic of ideological extremism, false information, and accusation against which truth—and liberalism—have little chance to compete” (Alterman 2003: 75). He points to specific websites as evidence of conservative dominance: “Web sites like Drudge Report, NewsMax.com, WorldNetDaily.com, FreeRepublic.com, Townhall.com, Lucianne.com, JewishWorldReview.com, and National Review Online boast regular readers in the millions. What’s more, they are dedicated readers and in many cases…so far to the right as to tend toward outer space” (Alterman 2003: 75-6). He does point o
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By the way, yes, absolutely it is pointless, has been from the beginning what with Wulf's multiple video absurdity. I just found it interesting that it had gone on to other subjects, while its opposite number died for lack of interest.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Give it UP already!
Wulfie, every time you open your mouth it reminds us all that the lowest common denominator can always get just a bit lower - you know that, right ?
Not to mention your argument fails in two specific ways, the first of which being that you *ARE* in fact a Racist, but too much of a cowardly bitch to own your own flaws, not the least of which is running full speed AWAY from anything that might require actual effort or sacrifice on your own part, despite being completely willing to force others to sacrifice their rights or income for things that benefit you and your agenda, which makes you a hypocrite as well as a coward.
The second place your idiotic lie of an argument fails is that your own willful, intentional, and downright fucking ignorant inability to see or hear anything that doesn't jive with your false little plastic bubble worldview has blinded you to the fact that most of the more liberal and progressive folk around here are *NOT* too pleased with Obama, since regardless of what comes out of his mouth, his policies are little more than a continuation of the same agenda Bush had - which would be a greater strike against him, and possibly wind up getting him voted out, were it not for the problem that the other party is offering naught but a bunch of insane, incoherent lunatics backed up by folk who would take all that is desperately wrong with our current policies and amplify it a hundredfold, on purpose, out of no apparent reason but sheer partisan malice combined with a level of unspoken racism and intolerance that would turn the stomach of any decent human being.
Which of course, leaves you out.
So it ain't that folk around here even like that pissant Obama, so much as he becomes infinately preferable to the unremitting sleaze offered to replace him - a situation much like what has led Detroit to become a fucking wasteland, cause no one is willing to step up their game, and the only choice people have is whichever slimeball is at best, less destructive to all they hold dear.
Of course, this is all but lost on YOUR jackboot licking fascist ass, but it's worth pointing out once again that the most horrific thing that could ever happen to you, is getting exactly what you WANT.
And as they dragged you off to your inevitable fate...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RewardedAsATraitorDeserves
And you scream and wail and cry that you never wanted this - I hope to be there, should that come to pass.
(In fact, given my tendancy to fifth-column, I'd hope to be the one doing the dragging
)And will happily inform you that in fact this is EXACTLY what you wanted, you just wanted it to happen to someone else, and ain't that just a pity ?
Which doesn't mean I don't think Obama is a liar, a dickhead, and damn well should be impeached for following up policies and abuses YOUR dumb ass enabled, cheering all the way, when your beloved would-be Neofeudalist was in power, I just don't want YOUR "help" cause I know how counterproductive and useless it is - and how much of a treacherous, cowardly little racist bitch YOU are, who'd turn on anyone in a heartbeat the instant they required more than smacktalk and lip service from you.
And speaking of "Allies" who are no such thing, do I really *need* to dredge up the list of all the bullshit Israel has pulled on us, again ?
Better idea, name ONE FUCKING THING, they have ever done FOR us, instead of TO us, in a solid, material way.
And no, riling up the middle east and *creating* terrorists by depriving them of all hope of a better life under their lash doesn't friggin count - unless you're employed by or profiting from, our war machine.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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A long time ago, I posted a story about a group of ...people... raping a young girl for hours, as a crowd looked on.
The responses I got from the left-minded people here were.... maddening, horrible, (whats a word for people who make you wish you were an alien that could swoop down and throw all of the people who thought like they did into the sun?)
Then I came across this,
and that hatred turned to understanding... then pity.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Every now and then I look around and wonder, where am I? And where did all this cotton candy come from?
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"The responses I got from the left-minded people here were.... maddening, horrible ..."
NO, it's what YOU ASSUMED how other people responded.
You ASSUMED people wrote 'do nothing'. The ACTUAL responses were quite different than that. Maybe you deserve the pity, considering you are so blinded by your emotions you literally can't comprehend a response different from your own.
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Liar. I was here, as were others, for that discussion. You were just pissed because we didn't think charging in, gun a-blazing, was a good answer, just a reflection of your own reflexive "nuke 'em!" mentality. Good suggestions were made about cell phoning the police, and the best as I recall was using one's car to scatter the rapists. You just didn't LIKE the answers, since you can't think beyond the gun in your pants. So you come back later and infer something exactly the opposite.
I have no DOUBT you found the logical suggestions "maddening, horrible", since you're incapable of conceiving of anything but your way, however actually ineffective it might be. Hey, it involves guns and killing people, gotta be good. That doesn't change what really happened.
You just shot yourself in the foot by admitting that, if you had your way, you'd kill everyone who doesn't think like you. That about says it all, and confirms what everyone's been saying to/about you. You have also repeatedly and quite well destroyed your own snarky topic, which was never put up in the first place except to spew your hatred and as an excuse to put up a whole bunch of your stupid meaningless videos. You're just like PN in that, except you put each one in individual posts and posted the URL rather than the video itself. I don't know what you think this new tactic will get you, but I'm still not interested in any fantasy or slur video you put up, and I think quite a few feel the same. At least by putting up URLs, you save us the trouble of scrolling past an entire video window.
Frem: Wow! Talk about ripping him a new one! Not precisely how I would have put it, but on the mark nonetheless. 
You of course expected no more response than what you got; to totally ignore everything you said and go off on some other tangent. Hope you enjoyed getting it out and it didn't take too much time, given it of course had no impact whatsoever. Enjoyed reading it, tho', and thanx for blasting so the rest of us don't have to feel guilty for really tearing into him. I fully understand your frustration!
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off
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Niki, please explain how using a car on a crowd is less dangerous than using a gun.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Nicki...
So you support EXACTLY what Frem said towards me?
Ok. Good to know.
Btw... heh. I know its a little juvenile... but I think I know WHY there are so many angry liberal women here...
Beauty is a womans strength, afterall.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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