How to win an argument with Liberals-Progressives-Socialists-etc...

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NIKI2

Sunday, June 5, 2011 7:44 PM

Honey, you should come back when you grow up. I said "Maybe it's the Black thing, I don't know." You come back with a silly long post claiming all kinds of things I didn't say or even hint at, and going off on some tangent or other, and that's supposed to have some kind of validity? Please try to keep up with the conversation, if you can. What you just did served to make preciesly the argument AGAINST "how to win" an argument with liberals. I thank you for that, but I'm sorry you wasted your time.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

KWICKO

Sunday, June 5, 2011 8:22 PM

Y'know, Wulfie, it's pretty easy to tag you with the racist label when you routinely go around referring to "monkeys", "animals", "ghetto gangbangers", etc. And when you claim you want to "let a .308 round decide" who won the 2008 election, you really just throw your case in the dumpster.

You're a racist. We've all seen it, we've all heard it from you, in your own words. Don't try to hide it now.

By the way, you never did answer my question: Why is it that you say Obama deserves NONE of the credit for killing Bin Laden?

THEHAPPYTRADER

Sunday, June 5, 2011 8:35 PM

Dude, Obama is black (or at least Halfrican). If you don't like Obama you don't like black people. That's how it works. This is elementary, like politics 101. You didn't know that? No wonder you are having a hard time winning against liberals.

NIKI2

Sunday, June 5, 2011 9:08 PM

Well, THAT's patently stupid. I've heard a lot of people talking about a lot of reasons people don't like Obama, and racism only comes up some of the time. Even that may be too much, but I hear "socialist", "communist", etc., come up a lot more.

And how about me? I half dislike Obama, so are you saying that makes me half a racist? The stupid thing is that so many are happy to think like you and Wulf, that anyone who disagrees is "playing the race card"...I recognize it's convenient, but it's not valid.

Then there's the fact that it doesn't mean someone doesn't like Black people if they don't like Obama. A LOT of those people live among, have friends and co-workers who are, and have no problem with African-Americans. But having one as President, having one with that much power, can bring out their subconscious prejudices (note I said "CAN BRING OUT" not flatly "brings out).

Things just aren't quite as black-and-white (pun intended) as you guys would like them to be, unfortunately. The world is a complex place, people are complex entities, and what you and Wulf say in this thread both has NO relation to what I actually said and is pathetically simplistic. I thought better of you, Happy.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, June 5, 2011 11:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:

Once you wake up to the fact that cheap products are not worth the money, that changes. I believe in durable goods. I'm willing to vote with my wallet. I don't buy the shoddy junk that places like Harbor Freight sell. I'll save and do without until I can buy a quality product that will probably outlast me. I'm also willing to buy something second hand. I'd rather not pay $5 for a product built with no regard for longevity, 20 times. I'd rather scrimp and save to buy a well built $100 product once.

If that makes me an exception, then so be it. I believe this massive consumerism will be recognized as one of the causes of the downfall of western civilization.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

You don't get it. Cheapest doesn'tnecessarily mean shoddy junk. Cheapest means that the company has done everything in its power to reduce the price for consumers in order to be competitive. And usually the way that you reduce cost is via labour costs, hence why companies have been sending labour intensive divisions to places where labour is cheap, and where you don't have to get involved in all those expensive things like offering retirement benefits, holiday and sick pay, or follow pesky health and safety regulations, or child labour laws, or regulations about how much pollution your company dumps into waterways or landfill or the air.

And massive consumption of cheap/affordable goods is what makes our capitalist world go around, my friend. If there is a drop in spending, the economists start wringing their hands and talking about recession in doom laden tones.

Live Consume Die

HARDWARE

Sunday, June 5, 2011 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But disliking them EQUALLY would equate to voting equally as well.

HW, do you vote for more Republicans than Democrats? Do you refuse to ever vote for either? Do you vote for them in equal numbers?

I mean, given that they're all socialists, and you've claimed that you can just never abide socialism in any degree, then how on Earth COULD you vote for any of them?

Did you vote for George W. Bush, ever?

I think the more important question is did I ever vote for G. W. Bush in the republican primaries? The answer to that is, no. I did vote for him in the presidential elections because I felt he was a less objectionable candidate than Gore or Kerry.

Sad to say that this is what our presidential elections have devolved to. Least objectionable instead of best qualified.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yes, because suggesting a starting point for negotiations to a country (that we give billions of dollars in foreign aid to) is EXACTLY the same as invading them with an army of 150,000. I totally get that. ;)

So you think that money buys us the right to dictate policy to a sovereign nation? Uhm,.. No. All 0bama is doing is alienating a foreign nation that supports us more often than our closest allies and depriving himself of the popular Jewish support for the next election. Old Jews don't vote for someone who advocates endangering Israel. See 0bama's poll numbers plummet in Florida and New Jersey.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

KWICKO

Monday, June 6, 2011 12:35 AM

Quote:

So you think that money buys us the right to dictate policy to a sovereign nation?

"Dictate"? No. But it definitely buys us a seat at the negotiating table, and the voice with which to make a suggestion or two, doesn't it? I mean, nobody says Israel *has to* take our suggestions... but then again, nobody says we *have to* give them a single thin dime, right?

SIGNYM

Monday, June 6, 2011 12:54 AM

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No. All 0bama is doing is alienating a foreign nation that supports us more often than our closest allies and depriving himself of the popular Jewish support for the next election.

In real terms, what has Israel ever done for us? Do they export oil? Er... no. Do they give us a break on their pharmaceuticals? Sadly... no. Can we even claim they are an example of what a functioning democracy looks like? Well... yes, if you're willing to overlook the open-air prisons of Gaza and the West Bank.

Other than the historical accident that the USA wound up being the destination for a lot of emigrant Jews, what really DOES tie us to Israel anyway?

NIKI2

Monday, June 6, 2011 1:28 AM

Interesting that this thread has gone on to discuss numerous things, while it's "sister thread" about conservatives died a quick death. Wonder what that says? Not being snide here, actually do wonder.

The only answer to "what does Israel do for us" that I can think of is "only ally in that area", tho' I'm not sure, as the saying goes, whether with friends like that... y'know?

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

KPO

Monday, June 6, 2011 1:44 AM

Quote:
Other than the historical accident that the USA wound up being the destination for a lot of emigrant Jews, what really DOES tie us to Israel anyway?

Evangelical Christianity...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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