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RHEA

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by kef:
River, as she was being wheeled through the recovery room, said, "They're doing it backwards, walking up the down slide."

Hmm...I assumed she meant that they were breaking her *into* the hospital instead of out of it.

River often sees things that aren't there. Remember Bushwhacked, when she was hearing the screams of the people who had already died?

I love Riverspeak. When all else fails, I can entertain myself by listening to what River says and trying to figure out what the hell it means.

KEF

Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:02 AM

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Originally posted by Rhea:
I love Riverspeak. When all else fails, I can entertain myself by listening to what River says and trying to figure out what the hell it means.

Same here!

I tried starting a thread devoted to Riverspeak (great term!) yesterday. It's called "They took away Christmas . . . " It's probably listed in the General Discussions list. Everyone check it out and add your thoughts!

MORWYND

Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:56 AM

He tried to rush them out of there. Why else would he change the time from 20 minutes to 5 minutes? It's not like they had to hurry or the feds would leave! The only explanation for Jayne shortening the time, is if he wanted to get out before the Feds were ready. Someone posted that he hurried to he could get his reward before Mal found out? I don't think so... first of all, 15 minutes would not be enough to get paid and find a way to convince Mal that River and Simon were arrested and he was not. Hell, he probably knew Mal would realize he called the Feds, afterwards. Also, he expected to be "very wealthy", do you think he would go back to work for Mal after? This was an out for him.

I'm not sure whether he expected the Feds to (eventually) be waiting out back, or out front. It really doesn't matter, although it is what aroused Mal's suspicions.

As for him playing along with the arrest like it was an act... well of course! This is JAYNE. He failed to get them out, but still sees a way to save his own skin, and make money too, he's going to go for it! But... no Christmas.. for anybody. Only coal.

STRAYCAT

Saturday, November 30, 2002 5:13 PM

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I don't believe he even felt bad about his treachery when Mal confronted him on Serenity. It seemed to me that after his initial panic, he accepted the fact that Mal had busted him, and accepted his fate. He just wanted Mal to preserve his sense of honour with the rest of the crew, which proved to Mal that he had a sense of honour, and thus Mal spared him. Course I would'a still flushed him!

I think one of the chief keys to Jayne is his relationship with Mal. He seems utterly loyal to Mal - note the care with which he made preparations for Mal's stay on the ship in Out of Gas, his refusal to betray Mal in an earlier ep - the strong impression I get is that he'd walk through fire for Mal.

OTOH, he doesn't understand Malat all - it makes no sense to him that someone who shows the kind of sensible ruthlessness that Mal does (example: the thug's fate near the end of The Train Job) would do something as dangerous as harbouring Simon and River if there was no payoff (the obvious one being to sell them)

I really don't think he thought Mal would be that ticked off by what he did. The look on his face was like a small child that suddenly realises they've done something to be ashamed of.

And it's only when Mal realises that Jayne is more concerned about what everyone thinks of what he's done, than about the fact that he's about to *die* that he changes his mind. I don't think this concern is quite advanced enough to be called a 'sense of honour' - but it's maybe the start of one

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