ARIEL
POSTED BY: Evans
UPDATED: Saturday, November 30, 2002 17:13
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Why does River say about the slashed Jayne, "He looks better in red"?
Enjoyed how Jayne complained about the siblings to Mal while the Doctor was stitching him up.
Jayne looked rather conspicuous as he signed off the Telefonix (after calling the Feds?) then as he waited, agitated, for the clothing and badges to be dropped off. He looked nervously up to no good.
When Jayne was shown slicing little pictures of the crew to stick onto the ident badges, I got a visual image of each crewmember sitting in a photo booth at the mall, four pics for a dollar, LOL.
When Mal got frustrated at himself at blowing his lines in practice, did you notice that he swore in Chinese but added "shiny" at the end?
"Ching-wah tsao duh liou mahng! Shiny."
Of course you must have noticed Kelly's "Blue Sun" advertisement on the Telefonix when Jayne went to call the Fed agent, from within the morgue.
I like someone else's comment that River's first words, "A copper for a kiss" (in Badger's accent), followed by Jayne's "Jesus!," called up Judas's betrayal of Jesus with a kiss, for thirty pieces of silver.
Mal claimed he and Zoe must have gotten turned around, to be going away from the morgue downstairs, rather than toward it. River, as she was being wheeled through the recovery room, said, "They're doing it backwards, walking up the down slide."
I loved that Mal had the names of the meds written on his arm.
River said, "They come out of the black. They come when you call." Was she referring to the Blue Gloves (probably), or perhaps to the Reavers, who live in "the black"?
She said to Jayne, "Your toes are in the sand."
Almost everything River says turns out to be significant. The writers are playing with OUR minds. What was all that about Christmas presents and not peeking in the closet? (other than the ho-yay factor). The black, coal, the closet. Hmm.
I like that the crew communicated with present-day style receiver-transmitters, not through bits of cardboard pinned to shirts.
Jayne's fight with the Fed, with both hands tied behind his back (!), was very good. No cables or somersaults through the air, no pause in the action for a beautiful pose.
Shrift calls Blue Glove's device a "supersonic boomstick." As good a name as any. The Blue Gloves are the one sour note in this splendid series, for me. Too other-realmish, too Buffy or Angel for a show that wants to show real people's struggles in a different setting.
Jayne's swearing to God that he did nothing, then admitting it while saying he was sorry, then asking Mal to lie about it for him, reminded me of Rhett Butler telling Scarlett that she was like a thief who wasn't sorry she had stolen, but was very, very sorry that she'd gotten caught.
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"But ... not boring, like she made it sound." Wash, in ARIEL
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Originally posted by Evans:
Why does River say about the slashed Jayne, "He looks better in red"?
Someone pointed out in another thread that River slashed Jayne because the Blue Sun logo was on his shirt! Same reason she tore the labels off the cans in "Shindig"(?). That blew me away. I'd missed that!
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I like someone else's comment that River's first words, "A copper for a kiss" (in Badger's accent), followed by Jayne's "Jesus!," called up Judas's betrayal of Jesus with a kiss, for thirty pieces of silver.
That was me, thanks.
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Mal claimed he and Zoe must have gotten turned around, to be going away from the morgue downstairs, rather than toward it. River, as she was being wheeled through the recovery room, said, "They're doing it backwards, walking up the down slide."
I loved that Mal had the names of the meds written on his arm.
River said, "They come out of the black. They come when you call." Was she referring to the Blue Gloves (probably), or perhaps to the Reavers, who live in "the black"?
She said to Jayne, "Your toes are in the sand."
Almost everything River says turns out to be significant. The writers are playing with OUR minds. What was all that about Christmas presents and not peeking in the closet? (other than the ho-yay factor). The black, coal, the closet. Hmm.
Yes! It's going to be a whole sub-industry for us fans, picking up on what River says, and figuring out what it means. I'm not sure everything she says has significance, but I could be wrong. Also sometimes she appears to be "seeing" something that's happening elsewhere ("They're doing it backwards", "Two by two, hands of blue") and other times she seems to be reading the mind(s) of people around her.
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I like that the crew communicated with present-day style receiver-transmitters, not through bits of cardboard pinned to shirts.
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Shrift calls Blue Glove's device a "supersonic boomstick." As good a name as any. The Blue Gloves are the one sour note in this splendid series, for me. Too other-realmish, too Buffy or Angel for a show that wants to show real people's struggles in a different setting.
I found them interesting. But we'll see where they go with this.
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Also, when they wheeled her past that post-op guy in the hospital (that Simon ended up saving), she knew he was about to die.
It's obvious why the Alliance wants her. At least it would seem to be. But do they want to use her? Or destroy her powers? Or did they help create them? It would appear Simon interupted the proccess of what they were doing to her, one way or the other, when he originally rescued her.
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Originally posted by kef:
It's obvious why the Alliance wants her. At least it would seem to be. But do they want to use her? Or destroy her powers? Or did they help create them? It would appear Simon interupted the proccess of what they were doing to her, one way or the other, when he originally rescued her.
If they created the powers in her I can't imagine how they planned to use them after they've also taken her sanity. Some of her predictions are fairly obvious even if they are misinterpreted at the time('fire' in OoG) and others sound like the ravings of a looney to everyone but the audience who already know what's up('copper for a kiss') and even those can have multiple interpretations('they took Christmas away'.) If they do plan to use her powers for some nefarious purpose, maybe they know exactly what to do to make her well. That could be an interesting dilemma for Simon in the future, crazy River on the run in Serenity with him or sane River working for the evil Blue Hand Group.
"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne
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Originally posted by JaynesGirlfriend:
If they created the powers in her I can't imagine how they planned to use them after they've also taken her sanity.
I don't think they created her powers so much as helped them along, if that's what happened. Maybe her unbalanced mind is a side effect of the process, or rather the fact that it wasn't finished because Simon snatched her in the middle of it. She has all these thoughts, etc. entering her brain from "outside" and she doesn't know how to process the information. Maybe if they had been able to complete their work on her, she would have become an obediant tool. Just one theory.
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According to the show (and I'm not too sure how accurate the info is) they removed the Amygdala (sp?) or the "filter" for the brain. I think the idea is that those of us with special powers like River automatically shut down those powers as a coping mechanism. After all if we started hearing voices in our head wouldn't we want them to shut up? So, in order to bypass this sanity defense system they destroyed the Amygdala. Besides, I think in the West it's almost a paradigm that crazy people often have powers to see beyond the veil of reality. You can see numerous examples in stories, poems, movies, etc. Sorta like subconsciously we all believe that losing our inhibitions will allow us to see and feel more...but at the same time we can cross the line of sanity.
Anyhow, that's just my take. Anyone else?
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Originally posted by Evans:
Almost everything River says turns out to be significant. The writers are playing with OUR minds. What was all that about Christmas presents and not peeking in the closet? (other than the ho-yay factor). The black, coal, the closet. Hmm.
Just watched it again and "They took Christmas away . . . Nothing left but coal." refers to the fact that Jayne wasn't getting the big payoff he expected for turning them in. For that matter, neither was the Fed officer who doublecrossed Jayne- the Blue Hands were going to kill him. "They" are the Blue Hands.
"Don't look in the closet either, it's greedy." would seem to refer to Jayne; i.e. the skeleton in his closet is the fact that he turned them in. Jayne's reaction when he hears her say this would seem to confirm that he realizes that she's talking about him.
"Two by two, hands of blue" -for some reason I love the sound of that.
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Jayne's fight with the Fed, with both hands tied behind his back (!), was very good. No cables or somersaults through the air, no pause in the action for a beautiful pose.
Fight scenes bore me to death. You seen one, you seen 'em all as far as I'm concerned. They're like the drum solos of film. Even more so fight scenes with ridiculous, unrealistic martial arts. (apologies to Buffy- loved Dawn's line at the beginning of this season when she referred to "those fancy martial arts moves that they (vampires) inevitably seem to pick up"!) Anyway, Jayne's simple brute overpowering of the guard fit in well with the show's "realism", if that's what you mean.
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Originally posted by Mopbucket:
According to the show (and I'm not too sure how accurate the info is) they removed the Amygdala (sp?) or the "filter" for the brain. I think the idea is that those of us with special powers like River automatically shut down those powers as a coping mechanism. After all if we started hearing voices in our head wouldn't we want them to shut up? So, in order to bypass this sanity defense system they destroyed the Amygdala. Besides, I think in the West it's almost a paradigm that crazy people often have powers to see beyond the veil of reality. You can see numerous examples in stories, poems, movies, etc. Sorta like subconsciously we all believe that losing our inhibitions will allow us to see and feel more...but at the same time we can cross the line of sanity.
Anyhow, that's just my take. Anyone else?
Exactly what I was getting at.
Simon: She feels everything. She can't not.
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Quote:To me, the cool thing about that isn't the "brute force" aspect, but the efficiency of technique. People who say it's technique that matters, not strength, are right, but they're not talking about kickboxing. If you learn a martial art that's really designed for actually fighting, and then use it in a fight, you'll just look like you're fighting, or maybe even like you're just evading and doing little-to-nothing to the opponent, but never dancing (kickboxing). To me, taking out the kickbox-dancing doesn't say Jayne's an uncoordinated behemoth who wins just because he was born to, it says that he learned how to handle himself in a straightforwardly practical way.
Jayne's simple brute overpowering of the guard fit in well with the show's "realism"
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Remember that River's flashbacks seem to mostly pertain to medical procedures, and Simon said they'd done multiple procedures on her head. To me, that doesn't say that the Alliance people in charge knew what to do and how to do it and were targetting their efforts at a specific goal. It says "experimentation". They caught on that there was something special about her mind, and they were fiddling around with it to try to learn more about it and see what happened.
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