Will religion become extinct?

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KWICKO

Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:31 PM

Two hands working can do more than a million hands clasped in prayer.

THEHAPPYTRADER

Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:32 PM

Hey check it out, verbal assault on religion without provocation! That didn't take long. It appears all that is required is to suggest religion and science can coexist without being at odds. How intolerant of me.

I wonder how often that happens? Perhaps this examples like this are why that percentage of religious folks felt atheists were a mite hostile...

KWICKO

Friday, March 25, 2011 3:28 AM

'Cause, y'know, religion would NEVER attack science, right?

Right?

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, March 25, 2011 3:50 AM

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
I wonder how often that happens? Perhaps this examples like this are why that percentage of religious folks felt atheists were a mite hostile...

...Perhaps being told repeatedly that I'm going to burn in hell is why I feel Christians are a mite hostile.

If accurate reporting of what I have observed in my own life is "hostile" then there's really no point in this discussion.

Harsh as it may look, Kwicko's graphic there is also an accurate reporting of what I have observed in my own life. I tried ritual, I tried soul-searching, I tried sheer force of will. For years. My life never got any better until I found someone who could give me an actual, physical, affectable reason that I felt so bad, so tired, so stressed out. This gave me something I could do other than just hope or appeal to the 'divine' for a change. The problems are getting fixed. My life has improved a great deal, in a little under one year. Nothing theological did that. I'm convinced by results. If that's offensive... Well, it shouldn't be. Proof is in the pudding, as they say. And my Science Pudding is delicious!

I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 25, 2011 3:52 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I sure hope that science is an acceptable something to believe in and use to seek truth in what I see and experience, because it's the only thing I've found that works for that.

PR, science makes decent personal models (scientology) but terrible social ones (fascism). Solve problems with science, but live with faith.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

THEHAPPYTRADER

Friday, March 25, 2011 3:57 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
'Cause, y'know, religion would NEVER attack science, right?

Right?

Exactly, though I wouldn't put that kind of behavior past a few religious people, atheists, or scientists.

We can speak of hypotheticals and list all manner of examples presumably from personal experiences and the like, but I'd like to point out that right here, right now, in this thread, religious people of RWED are not attacking science or scientists. Can the same be said of the atheists?

I appreciate that, for the most part, y'all don't seem to hold our differences concerning religion against me, but there is not shortage of vitriol aimed at Christianity in general and no one seems to have a problem with it. I don't let it bother me, that's just kinda how the internet seems to work. I just wanted to point out that for all the supposed 'aggressive Christians' that are out there, you don't see much of that here in RWED... Seem's like the atheist are more aggressive

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 25, 2011 4:01 AM

Actually, a minority of the world's religions believe in prayer and hell.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I suppose this conversation has reached a point where I must admit I'm an atheist and a scientist.

Before we commence open warfare, I would like to negotiate my own neutrality, mostly because I want to peg people with some water balloons. And you think you'll expect it because I just told you.

But you won't.

You just haven't met the right god yet ;)

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, March 25, 2011 4:03 AM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Europe is a bit screwed up right now, morally and otherwise, so I wouldn't look to their trends as something to emulate.

How is Europe morally screwed up? I find this an odd comment, partially because 'Europe' is made up of so many different kinds of people, with varied cultures, languages etc. I understand that parts of the place (but not all) are suffering because of the GFC, just like the US and elsewhere. But can you explain what you mean about morally?

THEHAPPYTRADER

Friday, March 25, 2011 4:06 AM

Hey Pheonix,

I never told you you were going to hell, and for the record, I believe anyone who claims to know that is full of shit. It's my belief that those decisions are in God's hands and it's best to leave him make them. Apparently this sets me apart from many a Christian, but I don't assume everyone who believes different from how I do is going straight to hell.

I'm not going to tell you how you should have lived you life or if I think things could be done better, that's not my place or anyone else's. If things are better now, I am happy for you. I disagree with some of what you've said from a scientific standpoint (not religious) but this sounds a mite emotional, so lets just agree to disagree.

I'm just saying, I don't find it unreasonable or even illogical to be both religious and scientific.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, March 25, 2011 4:08 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I sure hope that science is an acceptable something to believe in and use to seek truth in what I see and experience, because it's the only thing I've found that works for that.

PR, science makes decent personal models (scientology) but terrible social ones (fascism). Solve problems with science, but live with faith.

Okay, scientology, really? That doesn't even deserve mention in the context of actual science. It's one of the least rational things I've ever heard of.
Rationality does not make for terrible social models, the idea that it does is inherently flawed. Since science has found more than one empathy function in the brain, it actually just proves that humanity is essentially humane, and following that would be of great benefit. The responsive desire to end someone else's suffering could make a great social model. "That's wrong because it causes suffering." is much less sticky than, say, "That's wrong because such-and-such says it's a sin, and I think it's icky." You get into all sorts of useless cycles of argument with that, like whether people with a different sexuality than you should be treated like human beings or not. There's not a single logical reason for them not to be; this is not a cause of great suffering. You're going to say that this is a terrible societal model? I can't agree with that.
Living well is just a long series of good solutions; solving problems and living are hardly mutually exclusive. I'm almost offended that you would tell me I need to live with some sort of faith, especially if you think it should be faith in something that has never worked to solve any of my problems, which is frankly the implication of your statement to not "live with" science.

I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.

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