Why Serenity II is not being made.

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ZEEK

Friday, February 4, 2011 2:27 PM

It really doesn't make an argument look sound when you fall back on something silly like one of us buying the rights and producing a new movie.

I wouldn't want to see a movie or mini-series in the Firefly/Serenity universe if it wasn't written by Joss. I don't even want one if it was Tim Minear. Which is why I don't give a flip about the fan works. If Joss isn't writing or at least very closely overseeing things then it isn't Firefly IMO.

STORYMARK

Friday, February 4, 2011 5:11 PM

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When is Two going to stop trying to convince us that they know how to write a better screenplay than Joss?

. . . I could probably list hundreds of films that have confrontations between protagonist and antagonist that are equally illogical. It doesn't mean that Joss can't write a good action scene, just that he knows if it was written the way Two wanted it to be it would have negated the continued confrontation between Mal and The Operative.
There is movie in theaters, costing $15,000,000 to make, called The King's Speech. The script is riddled with gross falsifications of history having to do with Edward VIII and Nazis. Some have complained: “Churchill Didn't Say That” - www.slate.com/id/2282194/
Is it wrong to find fault with that award winning screenplay? The true story would have been fractionally more entertaining, less predictable.

No fault at all. But it's just your opinion that the script would have been better.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Friday, February 4, 2011 7:41 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I think this is a bad trend in Hollywood, but Serenity II would be expensive because action movies must become more and more graphic if they are to penetrate our violence-hardened sensibilities. The body counts rise in action sequels: the first Die Hard movie had eighteen deaths, and the second had 264; the first Robocop movie had thirty-two deaths, and the second had eighty-one; and the three Godfather movies piled up twelve, eighteen, and fifty-three corpses respectively. Escalating the body count seems to be one way to get attention from a public punch-drunk on global mayhem.

Why bother with improving narrative logic or truth when more killings can compensate? I realize now how to improve The King's Speech - King George VI in hand-to-hand combat. With Nazis!

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

DOCTOROSSI

Friday, February 4, 2011 8:14 PM

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I think this is a bad trend in Hollywood, but Serenity II would be expensive because action movies must become more and more graphic if they are to penetrate our violence-hardened sensibilities.

I think this premise is utterly fallacious, but even if I grant it, on what evidence does increased graphic violence/body-count equate to an increased production budget?

STORYMARK

Friday, February 4, 2011 8:31 PM

Two becomes rather nonsensical when you don't go around to his way of thinking on occasion.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Friday, February 4, 2011 8:47 PM

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Originally posted by Doctorossi:
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I think this is a bad trend in Hollywood, but Serenity II would be expensive because action movies must become more and more graphic if they are to penetrate our violence-hardened sensibilities.

I think this premise is utterly fallacious, but even if I grant it, on what evidence does increased graphic violence/body-count equate to an increased production budget?

Good to see you just signed up for fireflyfans.net, Doctorossi.

The premise is not more violence equals more cost. The formula is no violence (a lot of talk and weird sets and costumes) is cheaper than a lot of violence (rampaging cannibals destroying sets, super-stunt fights, spaceship crashes). I bet that hand made giant size model of Serenity that they crashed cost a fortune for only seconds of movie.

I was thinking that a Serenity sequel with zero violence, mentioned here www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=39&t=47379#829650 would be far cheaper than the original Serenity. But if Serenity II follows the typical Hollywood formula for action sequels, it will have more violence than the original and it won't be cheaper to make than the original.

www.screenhead.com/funny/eyecandy/serenity-crash-effects-rundown-14715
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The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Friday, February 4, 2011 9:03 PM

And what from Firefly.... or ANY of Joss' work, makes you think he'd WANT to do a story with NO violence??

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Friday, February 4, 2011 9:31 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
And what from Firefly.... or ANY of Joss' work, makes you think he'd WANT to do a story with NO violence??

You're right. The episode I liked best, Out of Gas, did have Mal being shot in the guts. And they did burn down Serenity. Then there is Shindig, where Mal got stabbed in the guts. And they did wreck a bar. So zero violence is out. Rather than zero, let's have "cheap" violence. Broken mirrors and bloody shirts don't cost much. Crashing a giant spaceship model and crashing a flying mule carrying four actors are expensive. Joss will have to give up "expensive" violence if he wants to cut expenses. I got no reason to think he does want to.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Friday, February 4, 2011 9:37 PM

And there ya go.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:58 PM

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And there ya go.

Storymark, what do you think of a Serenity II along the same plan as Tin Man (budget $19,000,000) and Alice? Is it still too low budget to conceivably attract Joss Whedon? Both were on SyFy and ran for 3 and 2 nights, respectively. Both got 7 stars out of 10. It is a giant leap up from SyFy's Mothman with Jewel Staite (budget $2,000,000) and Sands of Oblivion with Morena Baccarin and Adam Baldwin. Both received a measly 3.6 stars out of a possible 10.

When writing a Lewis Carroll adaptation or directing an Oz remake, there is a transfinite number of ways for the not gifted to go wrong. Joss Whedon wouldn't make the blunders in these two:

Tin Man (TV 2007) www.imdb.com/title/tt0910812/
SyFy has a lengthy history of producing terrible original programming, but Tin Man is several cuts above their usual dreck. Sure, the special effects are poor and some ideas seem half-baked, but the good storytelling goes a long way towards overcoming these problems.

Alice (TV 2009) www.imdb.com/title/tt1461312/
Not too good, but hardly bad, Alice is inconsistent. Parts of it are good, but tonal inconsistencies, at times questionable production values, and unneeded subplots constantly nag the viewer.

Imagine greatness:
Serenity II
A SyFy Presentation, a Storymark Production, a Joss Whedon Film,
Copyright © 2015 SyFy Pictures
All rights reserved

Yes, a $100,000,000 budget from Universal would be lovely for Serenity II. A $19,000,000 budget from SyFy is more likely. It has been done before with Tin Man. Obvious a script for SyFy ought to be completely different than a script for Universal because there is only a fifth of the money. SyFy could not afford to destroy another model of Serenity.
www.screenhead.com/funny/eyecandy/serenity-crash-effects-rundown-14715
1.php

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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