Why Serenity II is not being made.

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INVADERPET87

Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:18 PM

I can do you one better.... sock puppets!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
And would parlaiment be set in a bar, too? Played by cardboard cutouts?

Maybe Summer's stalkers would be content with a half-assed "movie" that consists of her in a dark room rambling on about the love lives of politicians, but it sounds like utter dreck to me.

Start with this:

Add this:

And this:

Film it with stop-motion action using this:

Find and update an old used script:

There, I just made Serenity II for $ 112.49

Everybody wins....yeah!

"She understands. She doesn't comprehend."

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:50 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Making up a million dollar constraint is just silly. I thought you realized that and it was a joke. I never said a million dollar movie. But it doesn't need to be 45 million either. It also doesn't need to be scifi IMO. As I said they could shoot a whole movie off ship on one of the outer rim planets. The sets could be regular looking locations. They could cut a ton on special effects and on rebuilding all the Serenity sets and I'd be perfectly fine with it.

You may not have, but Two did, and that was the criteria upon which the conversation had hinged. But you're right, you hadn't said it, I was just running with the prior criteria, so (here ya go) I apologize on that front.

Sure, they could do a plain western with none of the scifi, but that's not what Firefly/Serenity is, nor do I think Joss would want to make such a truncated and compromised version of his story. Remember, at 30 million, Serenity was already considered to be pretty low budget.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Thursday, February 3, 2011 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Im not apologizing here. Because I know what I'm talking about. I just helped prep a movie with a million dollar budget. It doesn't go very far, and that was with no special effects, simple locations, and an all d-list and lower cast.

What is the name of the movie? Where is it on imdb.com?

Oh: SyFy movies are $2,000,000. Morena Baccarin and Jewel Staite made one each.
MyLifetime movies are $1,000,000. Summer Glau made one in Hawaii. Not science fiction but it did have special effects to put the staterooms out to sea and to move a landlocked swimming pool onto an oceanliner.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 8:23 PM

The movie is/was called SLASH, and has Patricia Tillman (Babylon 5), Clare Grant (The Gates, Seth Green's wife) and Holly Madison (That Playboy reality show) attached, amongst others. But the original funding source is in question now, so the producers are talking about going to Lionsgate rather than financing it independently.

I'm credited as co-writer (though to be honest, I don't care much for the script, I wasn't allowed to do many of the changes I felt it needed), and may end of being the production designer as well. I'd give you the direct IMDB link, but I can't access the site from work. There are several films with that title, but ours is the most recent listing.

Syfy movies run between 1-2 million, so it depends. But most of those have 1 recognizable B or C list actor, with everyone else being unknowns for the most part. They also tend to have amateur or low level writers and directors. You know, to get a good script - writers like to be paid. Your example of the Hawaiian movie may have had FX, but from what you describe, they were just set extensions - which is one of the easiest to do. I could do that on my home PC in an hour or two.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Thursday, February 3, 2011 8:35 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
The movie is/was called SLASH, and has Patricia Tillman (Babylon 5), Clare Grant (The Gates, Seth Green's wife) and Holly Madison (That Playboy reality show) attached, amongst others. But the original funding source is in question now, so the producers are talking about going to Lionsgate rather than financing it independently.

I'm credited as co-writer (though to be honest, I don't care much for the script, I wasn't allowed to do many of the changes I felt it needed), and may end of being the production designer as well. I'd give you the direct IMDB link, but I can't access the site from work. There are several films with that title, but ours is the most recent listing.

Syfy movies run between 1-2 million, so it depends. But most of those have 1 recognizable B or C list actor, with everyone else being unknowns for the most part. They also tend to have amateur or low level writers and directors. You know, to get a good script - writers like to be paid. Your example of the Hawaiian movie may have had FX, but from what you describe, they were just set extensions - which is one of the easiest to do. I could do that on my home PC in an hour or two.

www.imdb.com/title/tt1506455/

Slash (2011)
R 100 min - Horror | Thriller - Filming summer 2011 (USA)
Release Date: 29 October 2011 (USA)
Budget: $1,000,000 (estimated)

Cade wants a normal life, but his moody step-brother drags him though increasingly violent fantasies as a series of real murders occur. Cade's apathy culminates into a manic party, where Cade must finally face his demons, or die trying.

Director: Rycke Foreman
Writers: Rycke Foreman, Jeremy Orr
Stars: Jillian Murray, Clare Grant and Todd Farmer

Plot Summary for Slash (2011)
Walter Sickert beats on the door in a drunken rage as his son Trench and step-son, Cade, cower inside the house. But Trench has a shotgun. He antagonizes his dad, who breaks down the door, coming in shooting. Trench blows him away, cracking a wicked grin. Trench, Rachel's boyfriend, shows up with dinner, though he's not supposed to be there. Inside, they continue to plot and prank as they eat, Trench going deadly with his idea, and Liz Stride, the stage manager, busts them, kicking Trench out. Onstage, they rehearse the Coffee/Dwyer murder scene with Kareem Cream and Annie Chapman, directed by Monte Druitt, in which Cade is The Ripper. Polly digs on Lillith about Kenny, and Lillith bolts for the door. Cade and Rachel follow her out, but she is gone. Jack Barnett offers them a ride. Cade declines, to go look for Lillith. Trench is upset Jack took Rachel home alone. Arriving home, where a party is raging, Trench fantasizes with a reluctant Cade about killing Jack and Paul onstage, during the Koontz murder scene. In the theater, they run through the Coffee/Dwyer murder, and Cade runs offstage to find his cloak and knife. Kenny is missing.

Lesson Learned (2005)
www.imdb.com/title/tt1555834/
www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi3750167577/
www.imdb.com/name/nm3400080/
www.myspace.com/storymark

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 8:41 PM

That's the one (terrible synopsis he put there on IMDB though).

Lesson Learned, the other film linked there, is an old short of mine, that was done for a 48-hour film competition, written shot and edited in one weekend.

I'm currently working on my first distributed work, a 4 episode micro series that's a spin-off from the Highlander TV series, and will be included on the Blu Rays for the series. Some behind the scenes pics and a few screencaps can be found here:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Highlander-The-Watcher/13473274658523
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"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, February 3, 2011 11:11 PM

Made for TV movies are fun sometimes, sometimes they're fun to make fun of, but sometimes they are actually enjoyable to me. On Scifi channel I liked Thor: hammer of the gods, a few midieval ones like Book of beasts, some dragon ones, this weird not-well-presented one about the future where these people think they're the only people left and there are these creatures and they go find this yellow powder down the river held by this bad king to prevent the disease etc. A lot of these movies have gaps in their logic but honestly I find some of them entertaining and my dad and I do watch them.

One of the lamest ones was that rock monster film, with that creature made of rock, that was really silly, we couldn't handle it. We like those natural disaster ones too.

I guess I'm just way too easy to please. But a Serenity movie would have to work very hard to please me because I hold Firefly to a very specific standard, as standard that the movie flirted with messing with, so Serenity 2 would have to work double hard to get my vote as a good film. Just my opinion.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

ECGORDON

Friday, February 4, 2011 2:54 AM

When is Two going to stop trying to convince us that they know how to write a better screenplay than Joss?

If I had the inclination I could probably list hundreds of films that have confrontations between protagonist and antagonist that are equally illogical. It doesn't mean that Joss can't write a good action scene, just that he knows if it was written the way Two wanted it to be it would have negated the continued confrontation between Mal and The Operative.

The reason Serenity II is not being made (yet) is that not enough tickets were sold for the original. Period.

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TWO

Friday, February 4, 2011 4:25 AM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
When is Two going to stop trying to convince us that they know how to write a better screenplay than Joss?

. . . I could probably list hundreds of films that have confrontations between protagonist and antagonist that are equally illogical. It doesn't mean that Joss can't write a good action scene, just that he knows if it was written the way Two wanted it to be it would have negated the continued confrontation between Mal and The Operative.

There is movie in theaters, costing $15,000,000 to make, called The King's Speech. The script is riddled with gross falsifications of history having to do with Edward VIII and Nazis. Some have complained: “Churchill Didn't Say That” - www.slate.com/id/2282194/
Is it wrong to find fault with that award winning screenplay? The true story would have been fractionally more entertaining, less predictable.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

INVADERCHAT

Friday, February 4, 2011 4:41 AM

Wow, you guys are still going?

Anyway, thanks Storymark for clarifying what I said earlier and just to clarify further, I didn't say a big budget made stuff better NOR did I say a small budget makes things worse. What I was trying to say was that you have no scope on what things cost in the industry and the things you are suggesting will cost far more than you think they will. As Storymark has said, Serenity at 30 mil was considered low budget and in my opinion that was far superior to many of the big budget films coming out. And I mentioned this before but Schwarzenegger's appearance would probably cost you half of whatever budget you had.

I brought up Dr. Horribles because it was low budget AND in my opinion it was good but look at all the corners they had to cut and that STILL cost 'em a quarter of a million.

Additionally, the scene in question is set 500 years in the future in the basement of a mass broadcasting planet where an assassin has been tipped off to the location of the hero by a lifelike 'love-bot' and you have THAT to complain about? I'm pretty sure this 'Joss Whedon' guy makes a living off of writing and if he was able to magically make a Firefly/Serenity in any way decent on any budget he had available to him I think he'd try but hey, you take your plot idea there, buy the rights and go and write, cast, direct, cater, costume, film and edit your own production, I'll watch.

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