Why Serenity II is not being made.

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STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 1, 2011 9:14 PM

I refer you to the last X-Files movie...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 1, 2011 9:27 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I refer you to the last X-Files movie...

Never watched any x-files movie or tv show.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 1, 2011 9:34 PM

Point being, it was a huge show, with a huge following. After taking several years off, with the main storyline left dangling, they do a movie that's a cheap, simple one-off story. The fans were pissed that it didn't advance anything, non-fans were completely disinterested, and it flopped. Essentially killing the franchise, even though next year is the year the main storyline was supposed to wrap up, and even though the stars and creator are game, and the fans want to see that story - the studio won't finance it because the cheapie flopped.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 1, 2011 9:39 PM

I'm fine with that. If it flops it flops. At least we get a shot and we get some more Firefly/Serenity. That's more than we've got now.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:19 PM

I'd still rather stick with the solid run we have than get some shoddy POS the soils the whole thing. Babylon 5 The Lost Tales is also a good example. Sure, it was more - but it sucked so bad that JMS regrests doing it, no one really likes it, and it leaves a great story ending with a piece of junk.

Quality over quantity.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I refer you to the last X-Files movie... Point being, it was a huge show, with a huge following. After taking several years off, with the main storyline left dangling, they do a movie that's a cheap, simple one-off story. The fans were pissed that it didn't advance anything, non-fans were completely disinterested, and it flopped. Essentially killing the franchise, even though next year is the year the main storyline was supposed to wrap up, and even though the stars and creator are game, and the fans want to see that story - the studio won't finance it because the cheapie flopped.

The X-Files Movie about the psychic pedophile priest was the wrong example to prove your point about cheapness killing a franchise. It cost $30,000,000 to make. Two word explanation for its failure: pedophile priest. All the blame is on Chris Carter's script and direction. What studio will finance more of his movies? His following movie, self-financed, was the semi-autobiographical Fencewalker, which hasn't been released almost two years after filming was completed. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencewalker

“Scully and Mulder are brought together again when a special case requires Mulder's expertise, and Scully is prevailed upon to find him. The case involves a pedophile priest who claims he is having psychic visions regarding the whereabouts of a missing FBI agent.” - www.imdb.com/title/tt1251753/

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 2, 2011 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I refer you to the last X-Files movie... Point being, it was a huge show, with a huge following. After taking several years off, with the main storyline left dangling, they do a movie that's a cheap, simple one-off story. The fans were pissed that it didn't advance anything, non-fans were completely disinterested, and it flopped. Essentially killing the franchise, even though next year is the year the main storyline was supposed to wrap up, and even though the stars and creator are game, and the fans want to see that story - the studio won't finance it because the cheapie flopped.
The X-Files Movie about the psychic pedophile priest was the wrong example to prove your point about cheapness killing a franchise. It cost $30,000,000 to make. Two word explanation for its failure: pedophile priest. All the blame is on Chris Carter's script and direction. What studio will finance more of his movies? His following movie, self-financed, was the semi-autobiographical Fencewalker, which hasn't been released almost two years after filming was completed. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencewalker

A tepid argument at best. The pedo priest was not an element that was advertised, so the general audience was unaware of it (as most people don't look into the details of plot in advance). Besides, the show tackled uncomfortable themes plenty of times, so the core audience wouldn't have had much issue there. You're guessing, at best.

Blaming the script and direction is nonsensical, as people didn't show up to see how good or bad either were in the first place. His next film is irrelevant (and I'd point out Joss' next film has gone unreleased, as well).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Wednesday, February 2, 2011 1:56 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Blaming the script and direction is nonsensical, as people didn't show up to see how good or bad either were in the first place.

How do you claim the X-file script is not to blame?: Scully brings in Mulder, but detests the old priest's crimes and thinks he is a fraud. Mulder, of course, wants to believe Father Joe could help on the case. But hold on one second. Even assuming that Father Joe planted the severed arm himself, you'll have to admit it's astonishing that he can lead agents to its exact resting place in a snow-covered terrain the size of several football fields, with no landmarks. Even before he started weeping blood instead of tears, I believed him. Scully keeps right on insulting him right to his face. She wants not to believe. She is suppose to be the rational skeptic. Why did she change into a knuckle-head for this movie?

Scully is emotionally involved in the case of a young boy who will certainly die if he doesn't have a risky experimental bone marrow treatment. This case is irrelevant to the rest of the plot except that it inspires a Google search that offers a fateful clue. Apart from that, what we're faced with is a series of victims, and eventually Mulder himself, who are run off the road by a weirdo with a snowplow.

Who is doing this? And why does Father Joe keep getting psychic signals of barking dogs? And is the missing agent still alive, as he thinks she is? And won't anyone listen to Mulder, who eventually finds himself all alone in the middle of a blizzard, being run off the road, and then approaching a suspicious building complex after losing his cell phone? And how does he deal with a barking dog?

The evildoers are inept; they receive bills for medical supplies under their own names, and surely there must be more efficient ways to abduct victims and purchase animal tranquilizers. And the wrong-headedness of Scully so frustrating, and the FBI bureaucracy so stupid...

The X-file movie did badly at the boxoffice because the story stunk, not because it was made for less than US$30,000,000. The next Firefly made-for-TV movie better have a good script or else that one thing, all alone, will ruin Firefly forever.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

INVADERCHAT

Wednesday, February 2, 2011 2:36 AM

Well I'm with STORYMARK on this one, I'd rather have no more at all than some cheap crap spoiling what Firefly is right now. Additionally, Schwarzenegger and 'low budget' should probably not be mentioned in the same sentence, quality productions cost money and if there was going to be a Firefly ANYTHING then I would want quality.

I mean, how much did Dr. Horrible cost? Wasn't that like a quarter of a million or something without licensing, distribution and with the actors working for free?

And WTF!? Firefly without seeing Serenity? No thankyou. And that means rebuilding the sets, the startup costs of anything decent would be pretty big, not to mention actually coordinating everyone to come back to the show.

I can't think of anything worse than a poorly done, low budget piece of crap that would ultimately seal the fate of Firefly firmly in the dustbin. If it's going to be done, it needs to be done right.

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, February 2, 2011 6:47 AM

TWO, I know everyone dissed on your idea, and I think you were just kidding, but if someone wrote that story over at fanfiction.net where I read, I would actually give it a go, try it out. Whether I finished it would depend on how well its written, but I'd try it.

I think Firefly fans seek a way for the verse to go on longer. There are various ways of doing this: Playing the Serenity pretend, doing fan films like Browncoats Redemption, connecting with other browncoats either locally or online, participating in other fan projects like The Signal online, reading or writing fanfic. There are lots of ways to do it. So the verse can go on, its just a matter of finding out how to acomplish that for oneself.

I'm still not really interested in BDM2.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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