Why Serenity II is not being made.

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TWO

Thursday, February 3, 2011 3:58 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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I do not know why Joss moved the Operative closer to Mal for their shoot out, but I know that was a mistake. I think most of the audience noticed.

? I didn't think it was that big of a mistake. Mal was 1) focused on getting the broadwave out, 2) had to get across the gap anyway, 3) knew that the Operative wears body armor, 4) knew that the Operative is better with hand to hand combat, and needed to get the hell away long enough to to shoot him, 5) didn't know the Operative had stumbled across Mr. Universe's message and knew what he was planning, and 6) figured the Operative would be confused by his apparently insane decision to cross the gap. One of Mal's favourite strategies, seen in all the war time flashbacks in the series, is to be so unpredictable that he catches his enemies off guard.

The Operative's head wasn't armored. Mal had disarmed the Operative. Only if Mal had walked forward and shot the unarmed Operative dead could Mal cross to the message panel without the worry of a crazy Operative killing him from behind. If Mal is a real soldier, the Operative is dead dead dead. If Mal is a TV writer's toy soldier, then anything can happen - even having Mal turn his defenseless back toward an assassin. There's only one choice for a real soldier - kill the Operative now, not later.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:02 PM

OR, because the Operative is better at hand to hand combat, Mal thought he might have ended up disarmed himself if he stayed nearby much longer, and potentially tackled off the platform.

You can shoot someone in the head, but he shot the gun out of the Operative's hand first, which was a bigger concern at the time. Guns have recoil, and unless you're River, it's very hard to get two very precise shots, one to disarm another gun, and then a headshot, off fast enough that that the recoil doesn't become a factor. They're close enough together that the Operative could have charged Mal during the recoil. So Mal retreated.

Yes, I was considering Mal trying for a headshot in the previous post. It still doesn't work, the Operative is just too good, it falls under point number 4.

TWO

Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
OR, because the Operative is better at hand to hand combat, Mal thought he might have ended up disarmed himself if he stayed nearby much longer, and potentially tackled off the platform.

You can shoot someone in the head, but he shot the gun out of the Operative's hand first, which was a bigger concern at the time. Guns have recoil, and unless you're River, it's very hard to get two very precise shots, one to disarm another gun, and then a headshot, off fast enough that that the recoil doesn't become a factor. They're close enough together that the Operative could have charged Mal during the recoil. So Mal retreated.

Yes, I was considering Mal trying for a headshot in the previous post. It still doesn't work, the Operative is just too good, it falls under point number 4.

That is make believe. That is excuse making. The only realistic tactic for a soldier is for Mal to try to kill the Operative immediately. Whether he succeeds depends on Mal. Mal is arrogant enough and angry enough to try. But Joss wanted the ultimate battle in a more picturesque location. And he wanted the Operative to use the pinch of death, used on Dr. Mathias. Joss wants Mal to be a toy soldier.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:28 PM

If he tried to kill the Operative immediately, he would have been shot, and very likely killed.

Mal has an excellent quickdraw, but he had two options to go for, the gun, or the Operative's head. He went for the gun, and lost his chance to go for the head.

It's not make believe, it's reality. Mal already exceeds the believability for improbable aiming skills, to shoot the gun out of the Operative's hand and then shoot the Operative in the head, in short order, not only makes the Operative look incompetent (which he is not), but would be IMPOSSIBLE.

This is the reason why River does what she does in War Stories is so impressive. It's impossible to do. Kaylee even tells Mal in Objects in Space that she doesn't think even HE could do what River did, and she's right.

TWO

Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:38 PM

The Operative knew the Wushu Finger Hold. He had seen Kung Fu Panda. Mal had not. Mal could only win with trickery.
(The Operative is the Panda. Mal is the Leopard.)

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 4:57 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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You think the more money spent on a production the better it is?

That's a straw man. No one said that.

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I'd rather have no more at all than some cheap crap spoiling what Firefly is right now.

Maybe InvaderChat didn't say the more money the better but he did say the less money the crappier. Therefore if you take money away and make the movie crappier than as you add money you must be taking the crappy away. Which would seem to be making it better.

Ok, go ahead and list the good scifi movies made in the last decade for a million bucks...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:01 PM

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X Files (2008) failed because Chris Carter, the scriptwriter, pulled down his pants and mooned the audience. Way to go, Chris, you lazy writer. Carter left plot holes and logic slippages all over X Files. TV writers think mistakes will be ignored.

You opinion of the show is irrelevant. It was a hit, a big one, so much so that it dwarfs Firefly by comparison.

The rest of your "analysis" is.... questionable at best. For instance, ALL aminated films are fully boarded in advance.... even the bad ones. That's how that process works.

Yes, a Serenity II would need a good script. And good scripts tend to require money to make well.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:01 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Ok, go ahead and list the good scifi movies made in the last decade for a million bucks...

Wow that's as close to an apology as I've ever seen you make. You're growing as a person. fff.net magic!

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:03 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Ok, go ahead and list the good scifi movies made in the last decade for a million bucks...

Wow that's as close to an apology as I've ever seen you make. You're growing as a person. fff.net magic!

Then you havn't paid much attention. I have apologized many times when I'm wrong.

Im not apologizing here. Because I know what I'm talking about. I just helped prep a movie with a million dollar budget. It doesn't go very far, and that was with no special effects, simple locations, and an all d-list and lower cast.

Still waiting for that list.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:08 PM

Making up a million dollar constraint is just silly. I thought you realized that and it was a joke. I never said a million dollar movie. But it doesn't need to be 45 million either. It also doesn't need to be scifi IMO. As I said they could shoot a whole movie off ship on one of the outer rim planets. The sets could be regular looking locations. They could cut a ton on special effects and on rebuilding all the Serenity sets and I'd be perfectly fine with it.

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