Here it is the libs are coming after our guns
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Saturday, February 19, 2011 15:04
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It's not entirely clear whether the amendment is meant to protect personal ownership of arms and not just 'small arms' or ownership of arms as part of a well regulated militia.
It seems to me it means to protect both. But it also seems to me to be quite naive, backwards and outdated (if ever 'in'-dated). What is supposed to be the modern purpose of a well regulated militia in preserving the security of the state? I can think of three possible interpretations:
1) As a substitute for a professional army
This would be a pretty poor modern substitute. And what about navy, and air force? Can you have a militia navy? Does anyone think the US could've intervened decisively in WW2 for example, with a militia military? A militia could conceivably form a small component of a nation's military, but that that doesn't fit with the 2A's description: "...vital to the security of a free state...".
2) In case citizens need to revolt against an oppressive government.
Two important things have changed since the time of the FF's. Firstly, the firepower and technology of the state has increased dramatically. Small arms are not really an equaliser...
Also these days the world has discovered peaceful protest as an effective way of shutting down and unseating governments. With this as a viable option, it makes the idea of armed resistance criminally stupid - not just needlessly bloody, but counterproductive (like Hamas).
3) For citizens to secure borders against illegal immigration
Almost certainly not what the FF's had in mind...
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:People with small arms disagree.
Originally posted by kpo:
Small arms are not really an equaliser...
Quote:It is not as effective or viable as you think.
... peaceful protest as an effective way of shutting down and unseating governments. With this as a viable option, ....
But even if it is NOW, can you guarantee that it will continue to be forever?
In case you're wrong, and one day peaceful protests don't work anymore, you may find that small arms are better than nothing at all.
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"Small arms are not really an equaliser..."
Wow....
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Good thing the events in Arizona proved that old gun-nut meme that if people were allowed to carry, they'd stop a gunman before they could do much damage.
Oh, wait....
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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"2) In case citizens need to revolt against an oppressive government.
Two important things have changed since the time of the FF's. Firstly, the firepower and technology of the state has increased dramatically. Small arms are not really an equaliser...
Also these days the world has discovered peaceful protest as an effective way of shutting down and unseating governments. With this as a viable option, it makes the idea of armed resistance criminally stupid - not just needlessly bloody, but counterproductive (like Hamas)."
Hello,
It continues to boggle my mind.
The U.S. is fighting a never-ending, resource-sapping war against largely disorganized people who are equipped with small-arms, small-explosives, and improvised weapons.
And yet the United States continues to be viewed as unopposeable by these same means.
I agree with the usefulness of peaceful protest, but I do not agree with the naivete' of discounting the alternative. An alternative which proves effective daily in bogging down the efforts and economy of our entire nation.
Afghanistan is slightly smaller than the state of Texas. There are ~438,000 allied troops there, plus the most advanced war machines in our arsenal. Surveillance is constant, and is of our most sophisticated variety. There are no real civil liberties there. We can and do shoot anyone if we even *think* they *might* be a terrorist. We have been fighting this war for over nine years, and have no clear expectation of victory. Allied forces there have suffered nearly 60,000 casualties.
--Anthony
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Story is the Lefts version of Kane (no offense Kane).
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Good thing the events in Arizona proved that old gun-nut meme that if people were allowed to carry, they'd stop a gunman before they could do much damage.
Oh, wait....
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
Hello,
There are a number of cases where an armed defender does stop an armed assailant. However, this was not one of them. The assailant in this instance was physically tackled by unarmed people in close proximity.
--Anthony
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Dont forget the one guy who WAS armed, and helped hold the crazy fucknut down.
Now, he could have just put a bullet in the head of the offender, but didn't. Why? Because the situation was under control, the guy was caught.
If only the police had that kind of SELF-CONTROL...
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Hello,
Wulf, Kane threatened to rape Nikki and her friend in their hotel room. There is no one on here who is the equal to Kane.
--Anthony
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Anthony,
Ok. Fair enough.
I retract my former statement.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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