Arizona Rep. Giffords shot, several wounded
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Anything taken to extremes is an untenable position. Gun rights are not necessarily untenable, but babies with nuclear weapons as a logical progression from gun rights kinda is.
But, to be fair to you, there are clearly flaws in a world where people kill other people like this. Violence is not a good solution in general, rather it's a self-defeating one. At least six lives screwed up, including the shooter, and more depending on how well ten or so other injured people recover.
As a side note, I think the way the system treats felons leaves them trapped in a cycle of crime and violence, but that's another topic.
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"Yes, Wulf, we know you want no control whatsoever on guns, ammo, bombs, etc. We know you live in an “all-or-nothing”, “black-and-white” world, so there’s no use trying to communicate with you. To you, any form of moderation is “control”, but you rail against any whiff of controlling yourself or others who believe as you do. We have no desire to “control” others, merely to utilize common sense. People with police records and those with well-known mental health problems should be allowed to have guns, in your world, probably because you think you’d take them out with YOUR guns. Doesn’t actually work that way, in real life."
Couple of things. Your way doesn't work either.
For example. Let say there is a guy who was caught dealing drugs (nothing big, just weed). He goes in, after having been convicted of 8 years. 2 years in, he realizes he won't make it thru the next 6 without catching more time. So he flips on those who provided for him to sell. He gets out for time served.
Now hes back on the street, with a conviction, no job experience, and 20 buck in his pocket.
But hes convinced to go the right way. He shacks up with his baby mama, and works with his parole officer to get a job. Its not much, and doesnt allow him to get anywhere, but its work.
he has to stay in his old neighborhood where originally was caught. The heavy heads know he flipped and are after him.
He COULD get a gun off the street, but wants to do it the "right and legal" way, do he goes to find a gun shop.
They tell him no because he was a convicted felon etc.
The next day, hes walking home and bang. Dead.
Its almost as easy to get a gun off the street in NY/LA, as it is in Georgia.
Gun Control simply does NOT work.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Gun control will never work in America. It was just over two life times ago we were building this country by the barrel of a gun. It is in our blood. You can't compare us to countries that have been other's subjects for a thousand years. Guns, Germs, and Steel.... That is what has made America the greatest civilization man has ever known. And with "Germs" I mean the syphylis we get in Mexico.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Yes, Wulf, we know you want no control whatsoever on guns, ammo, bombs, etc. We know you live in an “all-or-nothing”, “black-and-white” world, so there’s no use trying to communicate with you. To you, any form of moderation is “control”, but you rail against any whiff of controlling yourself or others who believe as you do. We have no desire to “control” others, merely to utilize common sense. People with police records and those with well-known mental health problems should be allowed to have guns, in your world, probably because you think you’d take them out with YOUR guns. Doesn’t actually work that way, in real life."
Couple of things. Your way doesn't work either.
For example. Let say there is a guy who was caught dealing drugs (nothing big, just weed). He goes in, after having been convicted of 8 years. 2 years in, he realizes he won't make it thru the next 6 without catching more time. So he flips on those who provided for him to sell. He gets out for time served.
Now hes back on the street, with a conviction, no job experience, and 20 buck in his pocket.
But hes convinced to go the right way. He shacks up with his baby mama, and works with his parole officer to get a job. Its not much, and doesnt allow him to get anywhere, but its work.
he has to stay in his old neighborhood where originally was caught. The heavy heads know he flipped and are after him.
He COULD get a gun off the street, but wants to do it the "right and legal" way, do he goes to find a gun shop.
They tell him no because he was a convicted felon etc.
The next day, hes walking home and bang. Dead.
Its almost as easy to get a gun off the street in NY/LA, as it is in Georgia.
Gun Control simply does NOT work.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
If you make enemies of big drug dealers you're in trouble in any society... whether guns are freely available, legally or not. But I think the poor guy would have a better chance here in Britain, where drug dealers have less access to guns. Also we don't sentence people dealing weed for 8 years.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Really. If people love it in Britain (and places like it) then move and/or stay there.
But as this is OUR home, we are more than capable of figuring things out for ourselves.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Of course. Americans can go their own way on this issue as far as I'm concerned. Just don't imagine/pretend there's no other way - there is.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Jared Lee Loughner is a kosher homosexual, just like the Columbine shooters...except this time targeting jews not Christians.
That explains why only jews are allowed to report on this story on Jew TeeVee.
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Alleged Arizona shooter Jared Lee Loughner has Jewish mother, acquaintance says
An acquaintance of Jared Lee Loughner, the accused gunman in the shooting of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, says his mother is Jewish.
Bryce Tierney, a friend of Loughner from high school, told Mother Jones magazine that the alleged gunman posted “Mein Kampf” as a “favorite book” on a social media site in part to provoke his mother, who Tierney says is Jewish.
Amy Loughner’s maiden name is Totman, according to Arizona public records, and she married Randy Loughner in 1986. Totman is a common old English name and JTA could not uncover any record of Jewish affiliation for the family. Jewish Tucsonians said they were unaware of the family.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/arizona_shooting/article/alleged_arizona_
shooter_jared_lee_loughner_has_ jewish_mother_acquaintance_s/
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Is Loughner’s mother Jewish?
JTA Jewish News Service
January 10, 2011
There's a lot of buzz about the parents of Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter in the attack Saturday that critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and killed six people in an attack in Tucson.
More precisely, there's a lot of buzz about who these parents are -- we've heard about Loughner's allegedly untoward behavior at a community college, what high school acquaintances have said -- but the New York Times, for instance, shunts until the very end of its profile today what it knows about Randy and Amy Loughner: Randy Loughner was an unpleasant neighbor.
There's not much more, beyond their silence.
Now we get this from Mother Jones. Nick Baumann interviews Bryce Tierney, a friend of Jared's who recalls the alleged shooter's first encounter with Giffords, in 2007 -- and then explains why Jared might have listed Mein Kampf as a "favorite book":
Tierney believes that Loughner was very interested in pushing people's buttons—and that may have been why he listed Hitler's Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books on his YouTube page. (Loughner's mom is Jewish, according to Tierney.)
UPDATE: Amy Joanne Totman and Randy Loughner were married on April 24, 1986 in Pima County -- or perhaps that's the day they got their license, Arizona state records show. No judge is listed -- perhaps suggesting they were married by clergy? I'm not so well versed in these matters.
In any case, Totman is an old English name, and seems fairly common. I'm not seeing any connection, except for what Tierney thinks he remembers -- and even if he remembers correctly, his informant was likely Jared, who may be less than reliable.
http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2011/01/10/2742483/is-loughners-
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1&
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http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voic
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MASS MURDERERS PREFER WALMART, THE WORLD'S LARGEST GUN DEALER
Here is a scenario you might find entertaining. He didn't have a job, and lived with his parents, but he bought a $500 gun on November 30, 2010. On the day he decides to go on a shooting rampage, he purchases bullets from Walmart. Why didn't he already have bullets?
Consider the possibility that the Jews were using him as another Lee Oswald, but he figured it out, and he decided to get some real bullets, and then he turned on those Jews, thereby explaining his mugshot smirk.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/arizona-shooting/tucson-shoo
ter-was-able-to-buy-gun-with-ease/article1864871/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703779704576074080255720
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Democratic Commie Liberal faggot jew Jared Lee Loughner's mugsh
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Jared Lee Loughner sporting his Jewfro
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JEW LOUGHNER AND JEW GIFFORDS WERE MEMBERS OF THE SAME SYNOGUE
This is an amazing story. We now learn that Jared Lee Loughner's mother Amy Loughner is a member of the SAME Reform synagogue as Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords! That means that Amy's son, who lives with his Jewish parents, Amy and Randy Loughner, is ALSO a member of the same synagogue as his shooting victim, Rep. Giffords.
Why didn't we hear about this from our super-sleuth national media?
Instead, we hear that a 'WHITE MAN' is the shooter. We hear that 'ANTI-SEMITISM' is his motive. (Mass Mind Control anyone?)
But now...now...some FACTS are leaking out!
His best friend, Bryce Tierney, who got a "farewell" voice message the night before the shootings tells us that his friend is Jewish. He tells us that Jared Loughner put Mein Kampf down as "favorite reading" to irritate his Jewish mother, Amy.
The story and the coverup of the story gets wilder. The Loughners and the Giffords were members of the same Congregation Chaverim. On the Congregation Chaverim website we learn that this Reform synagogue that was founded in 1973 has 140 families. That's a very small group. The Rabbi, Stephanie Aaron surely knows every single family member of her congregation on a first name basis!
That includes 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner.
So, it is IMPOSSIBLE that Rabbi Stephanie Aaron did not KNOW instantly upon learning that a Jared Lee Loughner had shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords that BOTH people were members of her small congregation!
But does Rabbi Aaron make ANY effort to inform the media, as she takes hundreds and hundreds of media calls from the mass media, of this fact?
Apparently not!
www.whitenewsnow.com/forums/us-news-white-folks/13368-
loughner-jewish-but-his-synagogue-congregation-chaverim-hid-fact-america.html
"Each of us brings a Gabby moment to mind; Gabrielle serving our country with chain, G-d’s grace, and eloquence. In the Hebrew Bible, shlomo Ha Molech, King Solomon, asks G-d for the gift of a lev chacham v’navon, a wise and an understanding heart. Gabrielle’s Hebrew name is Gavriella bat Gloria v’Spencer, and we also use Gavriella bat Sarah."
-Rabbi Stephanie Aaron, Chaverim Synogue, Tuscon AZ
http://www.chaverim.net
Lesbian jew Hillary Clinton Blythe Rockefeller compares Gabrielle Giffords shooting to 9/11 Inside Job by The Jews
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/825080
9/Hillary-Clinton-compares-Gabrielle-Giffords-shooting-to-911-attacks.html
Jew Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Jew Jared Loughner may have been influenced by Satanic Babylonian Jewish Talmud, er, the occult, says Commander Mark Kelly faked NASA space shuttle missions
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/825108
5/Gabrielle-Giffords-shooting-Jared-Loughner-may-have-been-influenced-by-occult.html
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Government Mind Control Experiments on U.S. Soldiers: Shocking Claims Come to Light in New Court Case
Mother Jones
Their stories are a staple of conspiracy culture: broken men, suffering hallucinations and near-total amnesia, who say they are victims of secret government mind-control experiments. Think Liev Schreiber in The Manchurian Candidate or Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory. Journalists are a favorite target for the paranoid delusions of this population. So is Gordon Erspamer—and the San Francisco lawyer's latest case isn't helping him to fend off the tinfoil-hat crowd.
He has filed suit against the CIA and the US Army on behalf of the Vietnam Veterans of America and six former American soldiers who claim they are the real thing: survivors of classified government tests conducted at the Army's Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland between 1950 and 1975. "I get a lot of calls," he says. "There are a lot of crazy people out there who think that somebody from Mars is contrNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Just to clarify: my “I love it” crack was about PK’s post; I went to watch Chris Rock and thought it was really great. Not normally a fan of Rock, but he nailed that one.
Hardware, mood disorders like schiz and bipolar aren’t created by society; societal pressures can certainly make them manifest, but we’re not “born” schiz or bipolar. Those two disorders are manifested by people who already carry a GENE making them more susceptible to the disorder coming out. You can’t blame society for this guy; he’s a sad, pathetic bastard, nothing more or less. Yes, he wasn’t diagnosed, and that IS a failing of society; we walk away from people like that, or in the case of the school, try to protect students by suspending them, but it should be the responsibility of all of us to speak up in cases as obvious as his.
From what I heard, Arizona is one of those states where people CAN be 51/50d if it’s brought to the attention of the authorities. Not that I like that; it can have negative consequences and as a bipolar it frightens me, but in this case it should have been utilized. That nobody brought him to the attention of the authorities or tried to get him treatment (aside from the school, which did send a security person out to talk to the parents) has nothing to do with gun ownership in this case, in my opinion.
As to the gun debate, we’ve been there, done that, I’m not getting into it again. Except for a couple of things: I agree with Kiki:Quote:
Moderation in all things, in essence, and the world is full of grays, nothing is black and white.
But you have a major problem with your logic if you are trying to argue unfettered, unrestricted access to all arms as a right - I could argue that an infant should be allowed to have a button to launch a nuclear bomb as a teething toy. Taken to extreme yours is an untenable position.
Wulf, good example for the argument that conviction shouldn’t preclude gun ownership. I don’t like it, but that’s a valid question. So is the answer that if you bring on the wrath of serious criminals or gangs, a gun isn’t gonna keep ou safe. Certainly not for long!
As to us being:Quote:
we have most definitely NOT figured this out for ourselves, so that’s inaccurate, in my view; we’re just stuck with our history and there’s no going back, and we haven’t found a sensible way around the problem, certainly not yet, if we ever will.
capable of figuring things out for ourselves
Also, yes this thread should die. It's devolved into the usual gun argument which really has nothing to do with the most recent massacre. But it won't die, because the argument always goes on and on whenever it pops up. It's 
; shy get rooked into it again?
The rest is just PN 
wish he'd quite changing the titles to reflect his own madness. Now THERE's someone who maybe should be looked at...
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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Cops arrested Jared Lee Loughner for traffic stop on day of Ariz. shooting, provoked shooter into killing rage
TUCSON, Ariz. – A wildlife officer pulled over the suspect in the assassination attempt against an Arizona congresswoman less than three hours before the deadly attack, authorities said Wednesday as they pieced together more details of a frenzied morning.
Jared Loughner ran a red light but was let off with a warning at 7:30 a.m. Saturday, the Arizona Game and Fish Department said. The officer took Loughner's driver's license and vehicle registration information but found no outstanding warrants on Loughner or his vehicle.
Wildlife officers don't usually make traffic stops unless public safety is at risk, such as running a red light. The stop was on an access road that connects to Interstate 10, well away from the grocery store, said Game and Parks spokesman Jim Paxon.
"He had a valid license, the car was registered, he had insurance," Paxon said. "He was warned and released because we had no probable cause to hold, or do an extensive search."
It's the latest evidence of Loughner's busy morning before police say he showed up at a Tucson grocery store in a taxi at 10:11 a.m. and shot 19 people, killing six, including a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl.
Also that morning, Loughner, 22, ran into the desert from his angry father, who was chasing his son after seeing him remove a black bag from the trunk of a family car, said Rick Kastigar, chief of the department's investigations bureau.
Investigators are still searching for the bag.
Hours after the attack, sheriff's deputies swarmed the Loughners' home and removed what they describe as evidence Loughner was targeting Giffords. Among the handwritten notes was one with the words "Die, bitch," which authorities believe was a reference to Giffords.
Sheriff's deputies had been to the Loughner home at least once before the attack, spokesman Jason Ogan said. He didn't know why or when the visit occurred, and said department lawyers were reviewing the paperwork and expected to release it Wednesday.
The visits were for nonviolent incidents, including a report by Jared Loughner of identity theft, a noise complaint and Amy Loughner's claim that someone had stolen her license plate sticker, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.
Loughner was arrested in October 2008 on a vandalism charge near Tucson after admitting he scrawled the letters "C" and "X" on a road sign in a reference to what he said was Christianity. His address listed on the police report was an apartment near his home.
Randy Loughner apparently has not worked for years — at least outside his home.
Amy Loughner got a job with the county parks and recreation department just before Jared was born, and since at least 2002 has been the supervisor for Roy P. Drachman Agua Caliente Park on the outskirts of the city. She earns $25.70 an hour, according to Gwyn Hatcher, Pima County's human resources director.
In one apparent reaction to the shooting, the FBI said background checks for handgun sales jumped in Arizona following the shootings, though the agency cautioned that the number of checks doesn't equate to the number of handguns sold.
Still, there were 263 background checks in Arizona on Monday, up from 164 for the same day a year ago — a 60 percent rise. Nationally, the increase was more modest: from 7,522 last year to 7,906 Monday, a 5 percent jump.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot
With a throng of reporters gathered outside the Loughner home, tension has flared. On Monday morning, after reports circulated that the family had an occult shrine in their backyard, a photographer wielding a long-lensed camera jumped the back fence to snap pictures of what appeared to be a faux skull and some candles. Randy responded with a call to authorities, who dispatched a few squad cars to look into the incident. "[Mr. Loughner] told that person to leave, and we're investigating the trespassing," said David Theel of the
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