Arizona Rep. Giffords shot, several wounded

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:18 AM

Couple things...

Firstoff, one quibble with those "homicide" stats is that for the purpose of making those charts, those shot dead in the commission of a violent crime are considered homicides, so you have to take into account that SOME of that statistic is bunk, but even figuring out how much is damn near impossible when both "sides" lie their ass off unrepentingly to support their own cause.

Still, I consider the notion that an armed assailant with a couple holes in him due to the actions of his intended victim, gets classed as a "victim of gun violence" pretty goddamned offensive, you know ?

As to why I think the right to carry is important, Marko has written probably the best capsule explaination of that concept that there ever was.

Why the gun is civilization.
http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civili
zation/

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Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

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HARDWARE

Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:30 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

...Folk *knew* this guy was having issues, and instead of trying to help, turned their backs and further marginalized him, not that this excuses him whatever, his actions are his own - but we have a society that makes people crazy and then punishes them for being so, and for THAT, we are, all of us, responsible...

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PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:36 AM

Funny how his Democrat parents had no complaint about his Church of Satan revival tent in their back yard.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chillin
g_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html

Liberal Smear Machine Backfires After Alleged Gunman Found To Be Satanic Atheistic Abortion-Loving Open-Border Illegal Alien Loving Pot-Smoking Long-Haired Liberal Commie Left-Wing Democrat Homosexual Transvestite
http://www.infowars.com/liberal-smear-machine-backfires-after-gunman-f
ound-to-be-occultist-pot-smoking-left-winger/

74-year-old retired Army colonel who took down Arizona assassin was grazed in the head by a bullet, choked Loughner by the neck
www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_74yearold_reti
red_army_colonel_who_took_down_arizona_assassin_was_a_born_hero.html


Democratic Commie Liberal faggot Jared Lee Loughner's mugshot today
http://tucsoncitizen.com/three-sonorans/2011/01/10/image-jared-lee-lou
gher-mugshot-and-smirks-in-court-today/

Creepy bastard looks just like the creepy mass-murdering husband of Rep Giffords:



Fed judge appoints CIA MKULTRA defense lawyer Judy Clarke from California, defense lawyer for CIA MKULTRA Al Qaeda patsy Zacarias Moussaoui, defense lawyer for CIA MKULTRA Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, to represent CIA MKULTRA mind control slave Jared Lee Loughner
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=197690.0

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The Unabomber a Harvard MKULTRA Victim

In his first week, at the tender age of 16, the real Manchurian Candidate met with his soon to be controller, Dr Henry A Murray.

Ted would become one of many children indoctrinated, set-up and tormented by the "secret" CIA Mind Control program. Dr. Murray helped found the Boston Psychoanalytic Society, led the Harvard Psychological Clinic, selected agents for the Office of Strategic Services during World War II.

Dr. Murray would become world famous in 1967 as the CIA psychologist who slipped a colleague LSD. The colleague then took the magical mystery tour out the window of a New York Hotel, landing in front of horrified guests head-first on the sidewalk 14 floors below. It was the first, and worst, public exposure of the 7 billion dollar budgeted MKUltra Mind Control program in which Dr Murray worked.

But in 1959 Murray sat in an office at Harvard University in the early fall interviewing a promising prospect. From the Midwest, socially awkward, sexually repressed, incredibly brilliant...a mathematics prodigy. Murray must have liked the first test results on the very young prospect because he code named the 16 year old "Lawful". In Mind Control parlance the rough equivalent of "Perfect". Murray would meet with Ted regularly for the next three years until the records purge of MKultra in 1962 when the agency attempted to destroy all references and records related to the program.

David Kaczynski reveals the MK-ULTRA-CIA mind control program that brother Theodore Kaczynski (dubbed the Unabomber by the FBI) was unwittingly a part of for three years at Harvard, and then at the University of Michigan and probably U.C. Stanford. In recalling some of the details of his brother’s involvement in the covert behavior modification program, David Kaczynski says of his older brother, “In a sense, he wasn’t paranoid; he was in a sense conspired against.”

Here was a chance to ask David Kaczynski about his brilliant, eccentric, loving older brother, and what the U.S. government may have done to him and with him.

You know, Mom had remembered it because since Ted was only 17* when he went into this research project, parental consent was needed, and Mom remembered getting a form, you know, Harvard College, asking for her permission for Ted to be in this study and Mom said, ‘Gee, I thought Ted’s…. You know, he’s socially awkward, he doesn’t fit in very well. Maybe being exposed to p

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